Why no one tanks...

[Stoudbaker]

Had my tank jimmies rustled for the first time yesterday in a CT run.

My tank is i76, not great, not bad. (For CT anyway)

We get to King Behemoth, someone claims Iron Giant, which I generally do, since people canthe only tank left is me.

Rather than let me get hate and drag it back to the wall, everyone spams their head off, provo

Then people ask what happens, and the other healer in the party that pulled Behe starts flaming me for not learning how to tank, i should just uninstall, yada yada yada.

Spent the rest of that run doing pretty much nothing.

I'll gladly tank anything you want, but please for the love of god, dont go all out if a mob is running around loose.

Spent the rest of the day on my Brd going pew-pew without a care in the world.

im ilvl85 & agree 100%,i had to tank KB in lag twice out of last 3

times,guess what,3rd time was a wipe afew times,its annoying when no1 calls MT & then ilvl 50 tank tries to mt bosses

[Doo]

What I find more interest isn't that there isn't people tanking.

It's that when I do CT recently my wife as a warrior does /a Anyone want to MT?
None of the tanks volunteer.

I think CT just makes most players lazy. Repetitive farming makes me want to just click towers.

[Rex]

Tanks are treated horribly in this game. So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything, you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

Let me share my story with you,

First time tanking in CT. Been in CT many times but not as a tank. I know what to do, but it's different when you're actually trying to do it. The other tank I was with pulled the valefor (I forget their actual names...you know..the two dragons and elementals right at the beginning) to the "wrong" spot. I put that in quotes because the placement wasn't horrible. Mostly wiped the Alliance.

Here's why the alliance wiped...snowball effect:

1. Whitemages refused to readjust their position to this different tanking style. So they were hit with everything because the dragon was facing them. Keep in mind, the tail was still facing away from the alliance so it was all completely doable because all the whms had to do was sidestep to a different spot.

2. DPS die because they also didn't move.

3. Tank die because whms are dead.

4. When the tank died, I provoked and tried to pull to the normal spot to salvage this fight. But because of where I was initially standing, the dragon turned and immediately used tail drive on 70% of the Alliance.

5. I die.

6. Fortunately, the remaining members alive killed it.

7. The main tank gets endless hate and foul talk for the next 10 minutes because of one little slip up. Somehow I was included in it and I wasn't even main tank.

The whms could have easily just re-positioned themselves and everything would have been fine. Instead, we get "Oh it's one of these runs" "Wow your tanks suck A" "F*cking idiots" etc etc.

Rest of the CT run? we're the team killing everything and "winning" the Atomos and Vassago fights. Main tanked Behemoth and Acheron. Nobody says a word.

In fact, team C kept screwing up their Atomos fight. But nobody bothered them because it was THEIR party member. me: "Nobody's going to talk down to them right? Just us? Our tank made a simple mistake and the world ends. This guy screws up the Atomos fight twice and nobody says a word?"


No reply. They continued to support that team, "It's okay, no big deal"

They stopped hate talking us because we led the rest of the run. We just had a small, simple little error that could have easily been avoided had our whms just MOVED instead of saying "that's not where you do it, so we're not moving."

Not even a "sorry for blowing up for no reason."

Not even a "GOOD BYE!" That's one of my worst pet peeves. Just say {Take Care.} Anything. anything to acknowledge that yes, we're people too. Not just some NPC. Be polite for Hydaelyn's sake. You take time out of your precious run to hate talk, but you can't press four buttons to say {Take Care.} all it is is, T, A, K, tab, {Take Care.} wow, that was tough. I swear, some people must develop some kind of psychological disorder with the amount of abuse they get from disgusting gamers like this.

There are a lot of people in this game that have really bad attitudes. I mean really. There's no respect or politeness. At least in the American crowd. And sometimes I really wish I could speak Japanese because something tells me they're really polite over on their servers.

This community has too many ragers, or as people say "elitist" but I don't think that's the right word. They're just "gimme gimme now" and "I only one shot things, I'd rather take the 30 minute penalty than die once." We're human beings. Every run can't be perfect. People mess up sometimes. Don't play an MMO if you expect everything to always go smooth. Elitist isn't the right term. It's more like arrogant. "Feeling entitled" also works.

So I say, don't be afraid to tank. Do some research if it's an important fight, see what you should do, then go in and give it a shot. Let everyone know ahead of time that you're new and that you did some research. That leaves no room for them to be complete jerks. After all, it's just a game.

Something my father always told me (but with nicer words in quotes... ):

There's two types of "jerks" in this world, Terminal, and Situational. We're all situational "jerks" But some people are terminal. Meaning they'll always be that way and there's nothing you can do about it. So all you can do is laugh at them and move along.

[Kazamoto]

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This guy gets it.

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Why are we all from Hyperion?

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This Gal? also gets it.
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[Leira_Raine]

Tanks are treated horribly in this game. So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything, you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

Tanks can be treated horribly in this game, but also Healers. In CT, I will not play either one, though I am confident in my ability as a tank. As a healer? Not so much.

If you made a mistake, it's understandable.

If you make a mistake and everyone pretty much sends you threats and insults, it's not so understandable.

P.P.S. Agreed with Rex.

P.P.P.S. I do not care for discourteous people, especially when they give you hell for a mistake. It RUINS morale.

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Thanks, Kaz XD

Also, one can only assume from this thread alone that 81% of courteous and understanding people are from Hyperion.

But there is a possible chance that this statement is not verified.

[Deifact]

I'm not entirely sure on other DPS but I tend to be quite forgiving on tanks as a BLM. If I pull hate cos a tank has a slip up I just use manawall or manaward and its fine.

The way it should be, is that if the tank makes a mistake (which everyone does) the other classes can use an "oh shi*!" Skill resulting in a minor hiccup and not a wipe. Again I know BLM have good defensive skills as a DPS not sure about others.

[JanVanding]

Something that happened today in Haukke Manor (SM):
I was playing WHM and as always I'd made preperations before even entering (read the guides, watched the videos).
Here's how it went:

Every single pack the Tank didn't bother to gain Hate at all (This couldn't be down to him being "New" because he would always use Hate generation on the bosses to make sure they stuck to him) so as soon as I use Cure, every mob from the pack would beeline, I'd use my KB to get rid of the first and Sleep the second, only to find The DPS kept breaking my CC.
This pattern was constant so throughout the packs, I (The WHM) Had to kite/pseudo tank.

Didn't get angry, didn't pass any comment really, just buckled down and got on with it but I can absolutely understand why people would get upset at this, you have DPS breaking CC, Tanks not tanking and putting the healer at constant risk. Now Imagine if this was Haukke Manor HM? We would have wiped on the packs because a WHM isn't capable of Pseudo tanking HM.

[Versiroth]

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I just hit 50 yesterday on my WM and I leveled in dungeons the whole way. I found that a lot of tanks are new and simply don't know how to hold aggro yet. I would just always be polite and ask them to flash/overpower and also to turn on their tank stance (post 30 for Warrior and post 40 for Paladin). If they can put up with me forgetting to turn off cleric stance at times, I can help them out by letting them know to flash/overpower a few times at the beginning of the fight and to watch the enemy list in case something peels off.

Most of the time, I would get a "Oh, sorry.. still learning" and I'd normally get a couple comms at the end for being nice about it.

[LeonBlade]

I am new to MMOs, this is the first MMO I have played, so for me I was very unaware of a lot of concepts that most MMO players are well aware of already.

I've never had any complaints really from anyone when playing as a tank luckily, I try to be nice to everyone in my party and not make anyone feel bad if they feel they have done something wrong, if a DPS does something wrong, or a healer dies and doesn't heal me, as long as they recognize mistakes I will reassure them, as I expect they would for mistakes I make as well.

As a healer, I've had an arrogant tank who thought he was the shit and blamed me for them dying because they didn't pull enemies off me, and I couldn't heal them fast enough.

I've also had a tank who would use Convalescence before a pull and randomly cast cure on themselves for no reason, or flash when no enemies were around in Brayflox, I got so mad as to how they could play so bad, but I never said anything to them rude.

[Pseudopsia]

I've also had a tank who would use Convalescence before a pull and randomly cast cure on themselves for no reason.

I recall it was effective as a PLD tank in FFXI to cure yourself, this is why I think you see new players trying to do this. It's useless in FFXIV because rage of halone combo(single target) and flash(multi target) is superior for enmity generation.