Why no one tanks...

[Pseudopsia]

I've also had a tank who would use Convalescence before a pull and randomly cast cure on themselves for no reason.

I recall it was effective as a PLD tank in FFXI to cure yourself, this is why I think you see new players trying to do this. It's useless in FFXIV because rage of halone combo(single target) and flash(multi target) is superior for enmity generation.

[LeonBlade]

I recall it was effective as a PLD tank in FFXI to cure yourself, this is why I think you see new players trying to do this. It's useless in FFXIV because rage of halone combo(single target) and flash(multi target) is superior for enmity generation.

Ah, I see. I don't think that this person was like this, as they were almost at max health. I think they were on PS3, so they were likely just new to the game. I just don't see how you could get to Brayflox as a tank and still not know what to do very well. I hope they learn from their mistakes and improve, and I just pray for them when they get to level 50 to not be harassed by other players.

[JanVanding]

Something that happened today in Haukke Manor (SM):
I was playing WHM and as always I'd made preperations before even entering (read the guides, watched the videos).
Here's how it went:

Every single pack the Tank didn't bother to gain Hate at all (This couldn't be down to him being "New" because he would always use Hate generation on the bosses to make sure they stuck to him) so as soon as I use Cure, every mob from the pack would beeline, I'd use my KB to get rid of the first and Sleep the second, only to find The DPS kept breaking my CC.
This pattern was constant so throughout the packs, I (The WHM) Had to kite/pseudo tank.

Didn't get angry, didn't pass any comment really, just buckled down and got on with it but I can absolutely understand why people would get upset at this, you have DPS breaking CC, Tanks not tanking and putting the healer at constant risk. Now Imagine if this was Haukke Manor HM? We would have wiped on the packs because a WHM isn't capable of Pseudo tanking HM.

[Versiroth]

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I just hit 50 yesterday on my WM and I leveled in dungeons the whole way. I found that a lot of tanks are new and simply don't know how to hold aggro yet. I would just always be polite and ask them to flash/overpower and also to turn on their tank stance (post 30 for Warrior and post 40 for Paladin). If they can put up with me forgetting to turn off cleric stance at times, I can help them out by letting them know to flash/overpower a few times at the beginning of the fight and to watch the enemy list in case something peels off.

Most of the time, I would get a "Oh, sorry.. still learning" and I'd normally get a couple comms at the end for being nice about it.

[DannyNobuser]

Tanks are treated horribly in this game. So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything, you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

I loath this comment im a tank and I do well by my fc I like to tank. and no its not mind numbingly boring Elazu your are incorrect

[MACEenyo]

I enjoy tanking the most out of all roles.

What is this thread about again? I do tank.

It is true though, a tank can make one mistake and there is always that one person in the party that thinks you are a "noob" because you made a mistake and they are immature so they have a hissy fit. You just have to shrug that nonsense off. Or bitch right back at them.

DD die all the time, do you hear the tanks complaining because they did? Not from my experience.

A mistake made by a tank is more obvious than any other roles, that's all there is to it.

[WhaleBiologist]

If DPS pull intentionally, I tend to just stand there. Only once the healers heal will I pick up the mobs, because I don't want my healer dying because my DPS are either stupid, impatient or just plain rude. As tank, I am usually the one who knows what to kill first and why, how to position things so AOE's don't hit my squishier brethren, I am paying attention to pats (if any) as well as knowing how to do surgical pulls so that my healer can DPS as well. I see the DRG pulling everything a lot in the 30-40 range of dungeons, where they seem to think that because they could get away with it in copperbell mines they can do it in Stone Vigil.

I also have to take into account my healer might be new, generally inexperienced with the class or even common sense-defyingly stupid - in which case some pulls I HAVE to make as painless as possible for them to get us through it and I can't do this with DPS doing my pulls for me, it's also rude. Why? Because Sometimes I am distracted, maybe somebody is talking to me and I need 30 seconds of my attention elsewhere. Maybe I've just spilt my drink all over my keyboard and need to quickly wipe it down before it seeps in. Things happen, and while I would love to be able to AFK for pulls in these situations, in many cases the DPS doing the pulling don't even understand enmity well enough to keep multiple targets off the healers. Solo mob? I don't care if the WHM pulls that. It's not going to kill anybody as long as 3/4 of the group are there.

This turned into a longer rant than I had intended

[Rochetm]

Watch all the bad "alt" tanks CT is full of.... that is why I don't tank and many other good tanks don't.

Constantly pulling crap off of us. Constantly turning baddies the wrong way. "I GOT IRON GIANT"... followed by fail tank chasing giant around... or fail tank holding it in the middle of the raid. "I GOT KB"... followed by fail tank standing in everything... no cooldowns. THen there is the tank just pulled KB time to medica II healers that place is loaded with. I could go on all day about the stupid we deal with in there.

Doesn't help that Tanks and healers have shorter queues so dps that suck at tank/healing join that queue and make everything worse for everyone.

For whatever reason SE decided to make FFXIV tanks very weak. Plds and War have very little control over if they live or not. No mater how good you are there is no making up for bad dps or bad healers.

[ErikMynhier]

I love tanking, most people hate the responsibility. Parties are cruel to tanks who fail.

[Captaindownsyndrome]

Tanks are treated horribly in this game. So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything, you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

your right i did low level daily and people rip into tanks guys need be kind tell them what doing wrong end with hey we have start some were will get though it help make more tanks not scare more away