Why no one tanks...

[LoLo]

noone wants to take responsibility if something fails.

Hate to say it but I have to agree, when I tried to give someone in here advice on what they could do better the next time around, they get super defensive and begin to throw out insults because I didn't pity them. It was clear that they need to improve in tanking, but instead they rather blame everyone else but themselves for why things went wrong.

[Rex]

Tanks are treated horribly in this game. So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything, you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

Let me share my story with you,

First time tanking in CT. Been in CT many times but not as a tank. I know what to do, but it's different when you're actually trying to do it. The other tank I was with pulled the valefor (I forget their actual names...you know..the two dragons and elementals right at the beginning) to the "wrong" spot. I put that in quotes because the placement wasn't horrible. Mostly wiped the Alliance.

Here's why the alliance wiped...snowball effect:

1. Whitemages refused to readjust their position to this different tanking style. So they were hit with everything because the dragon was facing them. Keep in mind, the tail was still facing away from the alliance so it was all completely doable because all the whms had to do was sidestep to a different spot.

2. DPS die because they also didn't move.

3. Tank die because whms are dead.

4. When the tank died, I provoked and tried to pull to the normal spot to salvage this fight. But because of where I was initially standing, the dragon turned and immediately used tail drive on 70% of the Alliance.

5. I die.

6. Fortunately, the remaining members alive killed it.

7. The main tank gets endless hate and foul talk for the next 10 minutes because of one little slip up. Somehow I was included in it and I wasn't even main tank.

The whms could have easily just re-positioned themselves and everything would have been fine. Instead, we get "Oh it's one of these runs" "Wow your tanks suck A" "F*cking idiots" etc etc.

Rest of the CT run? we're the team killing everything and "winning" the Atomos and Vassago fights. Main tanked Behemoth and Acheron. Nobody says a word.

In fact, team C kept screwing up their Atomos fight. But nobody bothered them because it was THEIR party member. me: "Nobody's going to talk down to them right? Just us? Our tank made a simple mistake and the world ends. This guy screws up the Atomos fight twice and nobody says a word?"


No reply. They continued to support that team, "It's okay, no big deal"

They stopped hate talking us because we led the rest of the run. We just had a small, simple little error that could have easily been avoided had our whms just MOVED instead of saying "that's not where you do it, so we're not moving."

Not even a "sorry for blowing up for no reason."

Not even a "GOOD BYE!" That's one of my worst pet peeves. Just say {Take Care.} Anything. anything to acknowledge that yes, we're people too. Not just some NPC. Be polite for Hydaelyn's sake. You take time out of your precious run to hate talk, but you can't press four buttons to say {Take Care.} all it is is, T, A, K, tab, {Take Care.} wow, that was tough. I swear, some people must develop some kind of psychological disorder with the amount of abuse they get from disgusting gamers like this.

There are a lot of people in this game that have really bad attitudes. I mean really. There's no respect or politeness. At least in the American crowd. And sometimes I really wish I could speak Japanese because something tells me they're really polite over on their servers.

This community has too many ragers, or as people say "elitist" but I don't think that's the right word. They're just "gimme gimme now" and "I only one shot things, I'd rather take the 30 minute penalty than die once." We're human beings. Every run can't be perfect. People mess up sometimes. Don't play an MMO if you expect everything to always go smooth. Elitist isn't the right term. It's more like arrogant. "Feeling entitled" also works.

So I say, don't be afraid to tank. Do some research if it's an important fight, see what you should do, then go in and give it a shot. Let everyone know ahead of time that you're new and that you did some research. That leaves no room for them to be complete jerks. After all, it's just a game.

Something my father always told me (but with nicer words in quotes... ):

There's two types of "jerks" in this world, Terminal, and Situational. We're all situational "jerks" But some people are terminal. Meaning they'll always be that way and there's nothing you can do about it. So all you can do is laugh at them and move along.

[LeonBlade]

Let me share my story with you...

I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that CT party, I have had very similar situations in CT. People are assholes, and love to blame other people, but never can blame themselves for their own mistakes.

I remember being in Garuda HM after a wipe and I was losing enmity to her and I told DPS to hold off until I got agro, then someone said I didn't have shield oath on, I immediately apologized and said it was 100% my fault and I was sorry, still people ended up leaving anyways, I felt really bad about what I said to the DPS because of my own stupid mistake after a wipe.

I just reached 300 commendations recently, which makes me happy, not because of bragging rights, but because people felt that I was a good player. I'm glad that I can make people's experiences enjoyable, over having assholes in my place.

I hope that you have better runs in the future.

[CHunterX]

4. When the tank died, I provoked and tried to pull to the normal spot to salvage this fight. But because of where I was initially standing, the dragon turned and immediately used tail drive on 70% of the Alliance.

You can stun Tail Drive. Yeah, sometimes the DD/WARs will go all out with their stuns to up their DEEPS and max the stun limit early, but it's always worth a shot.

And yeah, tanking CT is pretty bad. I actually love tanking, but as a WAR I'm usually sitting around with Defiance off with my MNK accessories equipped (hilariously bumping up my ilvl), because 90% of the time a PLD will come and fight me for hate the moment I pull anything; it's just not worth it to even bother trying to tank in there. I enjoy tanking the bosses in there, when I get the chance. It's a shame that the dungeon after Monday is full of trolls and naked people.

[Kazamoto]

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This guy gets it.

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Why are we all from Hyperion?

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This Gal? also gets it.
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[Leira_Raine]

Tanks are treated horribly in this game. So many self entitled kids that run in and face pull everything, you pick it all up, use all your defensive cooldowns and die cause the DPS is auto attacking.

Then said DPS complains for 30 minutes about the tank being bad, and gets you kicked from the party.

Tanks can be treated horribly in this game, but also Healers. In CT, I will not play either one, though I am confident in my ability as a tank. As a healer? Not so much.

If you made a mistake, it's understandable.

If you make a mistake and everyone pretty much sends you threats and insults, it's not so understandable.

P.P.S. Agreed with Rex.

P.P.P.S. I do not care for discourteous people, especially when they give you hell for a mistake. It RUINS morale.

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Thanks, Kaz XD

Also, one can only assume from this thread alone that 81% of courteous and understanding people are from Hyperion.

But there is a possible chance that this statement is not verified.

[Rex]

Also, one can only assume from this thread alone that 81% of courteous and understanding people are from Hyperion.

But there is a possible chance that this statement is not verified.

I'm sorry to say that some of the people raging in the other parties in the run I used as an example were from Hyperion. :/ In fact one of them was someone that I had known since beta of 1.0. He stopped once he realized I was one of the tanks. But it certainly showed another side of him. Sad.

Then again, you did say 81%. So you could still be right...but that means that I must be running into the other 19% a lot. Lol


Btw, Ms. (or mr.) Talia Renton, You'll be getting a linkshell invite when I'm out of work later. XD

[Leira_Raine]

I'm sorry to say that some of the people raging in the other parties in the run I used as an example were from Hyperion. :/ In fact one of them was someone that I had known since beta of 1.0. He stopped once he realized I was one of the tanks. But it certainly showed another side of him. Sad.

Then again, you did say 81%. So you could still be right...but that means that I must be running into the other 19% a lot. Lol

Btw, Ms. (or mr.) Talia Renton, You'll be getting a linkshell invite when I'm out of work later. XD

Ms. ^^ You're correct on such a statement. And cool! I have like one spot left, but I'll be around tonight before I go for coil! (Maybe you will not get this, but I will hunt you down in game). I'll even throw one back at you!

[Deifact]

I'm not entirely sure on other DPS but I tend to be quite forgiving on tanks as a BLM. If I pull hate cos a tank has a slip up I just use manawall or manaward and its fine.

The way it should be, is that if the tank makes a mistake (which everyone does) the other classes can use an "oh shi*!" Skill resulting in a minor hiccup and not a wipe. Again I know BLM have good defensive skills as a DPS not sure about others.

[LeonBlade]

I am new to MMOs, this is the first MMO I have played, so for me I was very unaware of a lot of concepts that most MMO players are well aware of already.

I've never had any complaints really from anyone when playing as a tank luckily, I try to be nice to everyone in my party and not make anyone feel bad if they feel they have done something wrong, if a DPS does something wrong, or a healer dies and doesn't heal me, as long as they recognize mistakes I will reassure them, as I expect they would for mistakes I make as well.

As a healer, I've had an arrogant tank who thought he was the shit and blamed me for them dying because they didn't pull enemies off me, and I couldn't heal them fast enough.

I've also had a tank who would use Convalescence before a pull and randomly cast cure on themselves for no reason, or flash when no enemies were around in Brayflox, I got so mad as to how they could play so bad, but I never said anything to them rude.