Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?

[Airlea]

My solution is better because if people are too lazy to gather, they're usually too lazy to craft and they just bot it up.

Your solution would simply transfer the power of bots from crafting to gathering.

This system plays to people willing to work for it. Work well and work actually. Not simply putting in warm body hours like crafters do now. That's cheap labor.

How is that any different from crafting? You find a node, you hit enter several times. The SP rewarded and the SP curve are horrendous currently, making testing your patience the only challenge in ranking up and gathering items. Your ability to rank up comes from availability and endurance. You know, "warm body hours."

[Peregrine]

Your solution would simply transfer the power of bots from crafting to gathering.

How is that any different from crafting? You find a node, you hit enter several times. The SP rewarded and the SP curve are horrendous currently, making testing your patience the only challenge in ranking up and gathering items. Your ability to rank up comes from availability and endurance. You know, "warm body hours."

There are no functional gathering bots, how about you start arguing the reality we operate in instead of the one you're making up. There are gathering bots you have to physically lug around to each node and MAN what a pain that is says the craftbotter! I have to DO something other than start it up? Heck no!

Acceptable. Appropriate. Desired even. This is a good change. You're right. It does shunt power back to gathering. Where it belongs, is safer, and is in the hands of more responsible players.

Warm body hours on gathering are more appropriate than warm body hours on crafting, because gathering's more involved than spammin that enter button like a mindless drone.

If you don't want to gather, you sure as hell shouldn't be crafting. In fact, the only player who doesn't like to gather, but likes to mindlessly spam on crafting...is a cheater who isn't really there. To every real player, crafting is WORSE than gathering. Only reason they like crafting is because they can't CHEAT gathering.

Or at best someone who watches a lot of netflix, which is just silly to justify that your entertainment is so BAD that you need to be entertained by someone ELSE'S product while you play it. Fail.

If you have to supplement your crafting with netflix, that system has already failed. Stop defending it.
If you don't like to gather because you can't watch Netflix (or frankly cheat at it), that's skewed frame of reference talking, where you're comparing it to the stupidly designed crafting grind where ther'es one button.

[Airlea]

If you don't want to gather, you sure as hell shouldn't be crafting. In fact, the only player who doesn't like to gather, but likes to mindlessly spam on crafting...is a cheater who isn't really there.

I don't like to gather, nor do I like to mindlessly spam on crafting. What I do enjoy is creating final products, particularly trying to HQ items for myself and friends. To get to that point, I had to do some of that mindless enter spamming.

So I can't stand gathering, but I do enjoy crafting quite a bit outside of the grind. To say that I sure as hell shouldn't be crafting because I don't enjoy gathering is a joke. You do realize that instead of gathering, you can farm on a battle class as well. That's another flaw to the system that SE is beginning to address, items gathered aren't exclusive to DoL.

Again, the accusations of cheating and botting need to end now. It's ridiculous and unfounded. Simply playing differently from you, preferring different activities from you, or having a different opinion than yours does not mean that someone is botting or cheating.