Fall back and regroup: time for crafting autoleveller?

[Peregrine]

Yup, the concept that it will "ruin the market" is absurd. It will make the market what it should always have been where the people who level crafts aren't simply the after school specials or the unemployed with the most time, but the people with the most market sense will be able to make crafting into a better thing than...this.

Let the real crafters craft. Let the people taking advantage of crafting's deficiencies as their advantage...I dunno. Find a job.

[Sorel]

Let the real crafters craft.

What is a "real crafter", in your opinion? No sarcasm. I'm asking an honest question. What actions should a real crafter be doing when he or she is crafting in FFXIV?

[Peregrine]

What is a "real crafter", in your opinion? No sarcasm. I'm asking an honest question. What actions should a real crafter be doing when he or she is crafting in FFXIV?

Someone who has fun analyzing the market, searching for demands and creating products for sale, rather than the crafting process in and of itself. Because the people who enjoy the crafting process itself only like it because very few people are willing to "play" something that terrible.

Think about that. It's the truth.

[Sorel]

What is a "real crafter", in your opinion? No sarcasm. I'm asking an honest question. What actions should a real crafter be doing when he or she is crafting in FFXIV?

Someone who has fun analyzing the market, searching for demands and creating products for sale, rather than the crafting process in and of itself.

Isn't that more of a shopkeeper/merchant/trader and not so much a crafter/maker?

[Peregrine]

Isn't that more of a shopkeeper/merchant/trader and not so much a crafter/maker?

That is whatever the developers say it is. It's essentially both, emphasis on the businessman and not the producer. The producers are gatherers. The fun in producing should be holy **** look at all this stuff people want. The fun in crafting should be haha my bazaar sold.

[Sorel]

Let the real crafters craft.

What is a "real crafter", in your opinion? No sarcasm. I'm asking an honest question. What actions should a real crafter be doing when he or she is crafting in FFXIV?

Someone who has fun analyzing the market, searching for demands and creating products for sale, rather than the crafting process in and of itself.

Isn't that more of a shopkeeper/merchant/trader and not so much a crafter/maker?

That is whatever the developers say it is. It's essentially both, emphasis on the businessman and not the producer. The producers are gatherers. The fun in producing should be holy **** look at all this stuff people want. The fun in crafting should be haha my bazaar sold.

I think I understand were you are coming from now. But I respectfully disagree with your assessment of what makes crafting fun and fundamentally what being a crafter means to the majority of us. I understand that it may have that meaning for you, which is OK. But neither I nor any of my personal friends who play MMORPGs craft for that reason.

There are people who like building houses so that they can sell houses and make lots of money. But their are also people who like building houses simply because they like building houses. The proceeds of the sale of the house is really only there to support their house building addiction. They sell houses so they can build bigger and better houses.

That describes me and my friends mentality in regards to crafting. We are probably fools, but so is everyone at one point in their MMO lives.

Sorry to have to disagree with you on this Peregrine. Don't hate me too badly.

[Peregrine]

I think I understand were you are coming from now. But I respectfully disagree with your assessment of what makes crafting fun and fundamentally what being a crafter means to the majority of us. I understand that it may have that meaning for you, which is OK. But neither I nor any of my personal friends who play MMORPGs craft for that reason.

There are people who like building houses so that they can sell houses and make lots of money. But their are also people who like building houses simply because they like building houses. The proceeds of the sale of the house is really only there to support their house building addiction. They sell houses so they can build bigger and better houses.

That describes me and my friends mentality in regards to crafting. We are probably fools, but so is everyone at one point in their MMO lives.

Sorry to have to disagree with you on this Peregrine. Don't hate me too badly.

I have fun building houses. I make a lot of aeolians for the server. That's a good house. I like building that house.
But if your house is making 1000 iron nuggets, then making who knows how many ornamental iron hammer heads to get from 44 to 45 blacksmithing, that's not a house. That's mixing concrete by hand. I have tools for that. I am a human. I am worth more than the time and menial skill involved in that activity.

I build houses. I don't mix concrete. My tools mix concrete for me.

I am a REAL crafter. I make WEAPONS. I craft TOOLS. I fill COMMISIONS.

Mixing concrete is what I have things for. The epitome of making houses is not in the menial tasks. That's why we have interns and machines.

Be a human. Know your real worth.