Enough

[ApolloGenX]

It is a challenge and frustrating... but a rehashed primal is not imo "content". You have seen the Titan fight... there's nothing you miss by not completing it in HM or EX.

A relic is not content, it's a reward.

It would be one thing, if you weren't able to see the primals at all, because of high end gated content... but you see them as part of the main story. After that, they are all the same but with different abilities. That is not denying content to anyone. (..and I am a casual)

[Doo]

Shout in Mor Dhona (pre 2.1), make your PF (post 2.1). It's simple, anyone can do it, set their own party rules and expectations and run it.

DF should be a viable way to get things done, just not as quick and easy. PF standards are high as hell and most players have ridiculous standards. They pretty much want fail safe runs. You can make your own pf group but it shouldn't be too much a difference than a df group.

[Lemuria]

I can fully understand people's frustration with Titan HM. There are a good few mechanics which can shut down a party's chances of beating him, skills which can instantly remove a party member from the remainder of the fight and his heart phase requires strong DPS. That's not to say I'd like to see him nerfed however.

As much as I do understand those frustrations, it's also a taste of what's to come later. In a way, Titan eases you into that tougher content with his fight mechanics. In fact, I'd argue the actual Titan fight eases you into his OWN mechanics... hear me out.

1) His first major skill he may use is landslide. During this time you are knocked back but CANNOT fall off the arena due to the edges.
2) After the edges fall away he begins using Weight of the Land, giving you some practice dodging his new ability.
3) He adds the new mechanic of dropping bombs (in different layouts) in the next phase, along with the gaols which need to be destroyed.

All this is done BEFORE the heart phase even arrives.

4) He begins to combine these skills, such as dropping bombs and using Landslide. The bombs drop in a different pattern, but still follow the same rules as the original ones.

In this regard, I think Titan is actually one of the smarter bosses they've added. He doesn't immediately smack you in the face with insta-death like some FFXI bosses did, and each phase gives you the chance to learn his moves. The more eagle-eyed players could probably beat him in one clean run assuming they had decent DPS. In my opinion, the strong DPS requirement is the only major hurdle faced by DF groups, and not so much learning his mechanics.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Difficult content gives a great feeling when you finally accomplish it.
I remember hitting my head against Titan HM for a week or so, before I finally downed it, others in my FC took a few weeks, but when they finally did it there was a big sense of accomplishment.
They didnt stop to come and complain on the forums, they just kept working hard at it and learnt the fight inside and out until they got it.

If you can't handle HM now, then I fear for you attempting EM.

This X1000 except for me it was Garuda... we actually downed Titan on our 2nd attempt. Its a difficult fight but esp as a tank, once you figure out whats happening, its just a dodge fest. Ive also done it as a healer, so i have seen how it is from that PoV as well.

The point is, its supposed to block you from accessing content. The game is pretty easy from an individual standpoint, and most fights are only hard when it comes to executing as a team. once you defeat the content that blocks you out from the other stuff, it is an awesome feeling. Especially if you do it with an FC and most of you need it for your first relic

[Thunderz]

/facepalm

/10char

[Galliano]

Well, at this point Titan HM is no longer relevant, I feel that bottlenecking new players though him is not wise. The challenge now is the extreme primals and Coil.

If you can't beat something you can't just ask for an easy pass to the next thing, that's like using a cheat to skip a level or make it easier so you can carry on playing.

It's called a learning curve and it's there for a reason, if you can't beat Titan HM then you have no hope at beating the things after it, so why skip it? You'll just be stuck at the next fight asking for it to be made easier to get to the fight after that.

Learn and practice the fight and once you beat it you will have learned skills to use in harder content.

[Moriganna]

Just quit, I dare you lol.

[CYoung187]

Lol try getting a relic weapon in FFXI. Getting a good group to beat titan is difficult, but far from impossible. Relics should be difficult to get.

[Lyrinn]

Landslide and Upheaval

Well played.

[Ri_ri]

It's called a learning curve and it's there for a reason, if you can't beat Titan HM then you have no hope at beating the things after it, so why skip it? You'll just be stuck at the next fight asking for it to be made easier to get to the fight after that.

Titan is "harder" than most things after him. Not supposed to, but the netcode makes him be. There's a reason all those threads about him, and not Caduceus, ADS, Garuda, or even Twintania.

Just as this game fits the needs of players seeking some challenge.

That's enough internet for today.