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[Fyce]

If you can't beat titan, what are you expecting to beat beyond it? You're gonna be in the exact same predicament you're currently in after you kill Caduceus. Hell, you might have more difficulty with Cad.

improve your reaction times or learn the rotation and how to dodge the bomb patterns if you're serious about getting a kill.

glad i could break up the monotony

You don't. You (like the majority of the people in this thread) are saying to someone who says that he/she has trouble beating a fight by using DF to improve himself/herself.
You do not take in consideration DF and you assume that this person is not playing correctly.
In short, you are saying that if this person become better, he/she will be able to carry a random team and beat this fight even if his/her teamates are bad.

Most of the anwsers posted in this thread are like your. They ignore the main issue and just blame the OP for being bad while they probably never experienced this fight the way the OP did.
This fight cannot be beaten easily by using DF. Not because *you* are bad, but because the average party will include bad/laggy people, who will drag the whole party down and make the fight impossible to beat by this team, forcing you to roll the dice again and pray in order to find a good group.
Personnal skill is mostly irrelevant. Being an average skilled player is more than enough. Improving helps, but won't change the skill level of your teammates.

Basically, what OP is saying is that the average skill level of a party made by using DF is too low to beat one of the key fight of this game.
And this is true. Most DF group will fail to beat Titan HM.

[Delorean]

Most of the anwsers posted in this thread are like your. They ignore the main issue and just blame the OP for being bad while they probably never experienced this fight the way the OP did.

Alright then, let's get to the heart of the manner.

There are too many variables for DF to give you a group worth making an honest effort with.

These people don't have a titan kill because they don't actually want it. They just kind of want it. They don't want to kill it and mount it's head on their wall - kind of like how I'd like to have a diamond lamborghini but wouldn't want to even look at what the insurance on it costs.

But why shouldn't you have to try hard to get one of the best weapons in the game?

[Aegis]

I think a lot of people's opinions of this are flavoured by the fact that by the time you're on your 4th or 5th relic run, you tend to be going with premades where several people have relics and myth/allagan and are overgeared for it.

That being said, I got my final relic before 2.1 landed and now people can very easily get i70+ gear averages from loading CT gear, so lack of DPS shouldn't be an excuse anymore.

Titan HM was always designed to be the level where DF fails. Yoshi said before ARR was even released that the top tier of content would be virtually impossible for PUGs.

My advice to OP, get in a FC that helps its members out. Be prepared to help others in whatever way you can and wait for them to do a Titan HM run.

Also, every week that passes is a week where you can get 1 i80 body/leg/feet/hands/head/waist piece and one i90 accessory; do so.

To people who don't want to read 12 pages, here's a summary of the thread:

12 pages? Noobs

[AdvancedWind]

If the average gamer is unable to hold the directional (or AWSD) after a clear visual hint is given, then I fear for the future of gaming.

Sorry, Titan HM, EX, whatever, is not hard by any means. Titan is far more forgiving than people make it out to be. I've actually died once because I moved out of Weight of the Land, ran in circles and went back to the original position...AND THE AOE WAS STILL THERE. Seriously, there's more than enough time to avoid the damn thing.

The only way you can be hit every time is if you either:

A - completely ignore it thinking "hey, it must be nothing", in which case you deserve to be stuck on Titan
A1- completely fail to pay attention to the screen and don't even see the AoE, in which case you deserve to be stuck on Titan
A2 - Your party was so out of position there was literally nowhere to avoid a certain move. And this is actually nearly impossible to happen, you must be purposedly trying to MPK others so to achieve such perfection. Like making a star pattern with a poor soul in the middle.

or

B - genuinely lag, which, if frequent, leads to
B1- unfortunately, your connection to the servers is bad, I'm afraid you simply can't play this game. SE's fault or your fault, the final result is the same. If it's that bad and you can't fix it, try a single player game. Try another MMO. Try changing ISPs. Just stop ruining the game for others if you're unable to avoid even the simplest of AoEs.


The hardest thing about 100% of the content of this game is finding 7 other people who can do it and put in enough effort to clear it (which for anything but Twintania means 1-2 hours on a single day once strategies are widely known, 3-4 if not, then never ever die again unless something extraordinary happens).

[Davionx]

Fights where you need to move can be fun and engaging, fights where you need to dance are not.

[AdvancedWind]

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But the issue here is: why is someone solely using the DF? At this point it should be common sense that the DF on the western servers is a pratice tool for your first 30 minutes in a fight and nothing more. You don't go to DF expecting to win anything harder than Ifrit HM. You go in once or twice to see the early basic mechanics, then you never do it again unless you're super bored or feeling lucky.

Shout in Mor Dhona (pre 2.1), make your PF (post 2.1). It's simple, anyone can do it, set their own party rules and expectations and run it.

[Rydia13]

Totally agree with you AdvancedWind... While I was learning Titan EX I used DF alot. Some people were expecting to actually win and I was like wait whaaaaa? Do you not realise that anyone that knows this fight will be in a PF group... DF is to learn and MAYBE win, very low probability. Get. Over. It. I paid for my Titan EX win due to horrific lag issues (which I cleared up with comcast), but then I went back and learned the fight in order to spam farm for a casters earring which I'm still after.

Point is, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Aka, quit the game or try harder. Don't give up.

[Doo]

Shout in Mor Dhona (pre 2.1), make your PF (post 2.1). It's simple, anyone can do it, set their own party rules and expectations and run it.

DF should be a viable way to get things done, just not as quick and easy. PF standards are high as hell and most players have ridiculous standards. They pretty much want fail safe runs. You can make your own pf group but it shouldn't be too much a difference than a df group.

[AdvancedWind]

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But how would you do it?

If you set the Ilv too high, it takes the point of it being a easy and quick casual way to try content.
If you make the fights too easy so any random group formed by DF can win it, you just flat out take the fun out of the game.
If you try to optimize the party configuration (We all know there's no need for 2 tanks on Titan HM, for example), you alienate certain jobs

There's no way to make a random party matchmaking a "viable way to get things done" without vastly simplifying the content, and that would be bad for the game in the long run.

Also, DF is actually somewhat viable even for EX primals. I have wins on pretty much everything on DF, except Titan EX. And I'm pretty sure if I tried enough times, I'd get a win on that too, but why bother?

In fact, my first Ultima HM win was on my first run on duty finder. I actually first DF Ifrit EX before joining server parties.

[Doo]

But how would you do it?

In fact, my first Ultima HM win was on my first run on duty finder. I actually first DF Ifrit EX before joining server parties.

Ultima is pretty forgiving. I must of beaten it like 20 times on df with guys that died like 5-10 times and still able to recover.

I just don't like the reason for these fights to be hard is having to rely on 7 others to play near perfect in order to win. MMO's I've played DCUO, FFXI pre abyssea, and Neverwinter didn't feel this way and yet they manage to make hard content. Skill players have more effect on the out come of fights and not as skilled players are less of a liability. This make the hardcore players happy because they feel like they carried the team while the casual isn't banging his head against the wall over and over again and resort to buying runs for the rest of his mmo days.


In a way the fights should be more like Ultima HM but with more variety of mechanics rather than your basic tank swap, in n out dodging, etc.