Unrealistic ilvl requeriment

[Chronos]

Well youngin...BACK IN THE DAY, when we started...we were clearing AK in artifact gear and lv 30 accessories.

[whiskeybravo]

Ilvl requirement for GH is 52, apparently. I'd say it's definitely doable at that level. I'm not saying an ilvl 65 GX would be *easy*, but I think it's doable, and would be willing to work with anyone who wants to prove it.

I don't know.. I've been in i75 (minimum) groups for GX and most times first set of sisters aren't killed fast enough. That could be a "skill" issue more so than "gear" issue, but the problem with Garuda XM in particular is if you don't clear each phase fast enough it just repeats and repeats, that's why they call it a DPS check, I guess.

[Makado]

If you had a good group I don't see any reason a I65 group couldn't down Garuda EX. You would need a setup which used none of the same jobs, especially for the WAR with added DPS and the faster limit gauge. But as I have been gearing my other classes I have noticed that an I65 rating can have say an I80/90 weapon and some DL/ Old AK gear mix (like Peltgast, Hoplite, etc.) The reason I see people fail even with I90 is because they just aren't very good players.

[Makado]

As an example, I have played in groups that both had higher Item levels, one took about 5 tornado cycles and the other took 2. Its all about how well you can play your classes. Item level can be very deceiving, my MNK is full DL except one piece with Hellish Claws and is only I73. So that's an I90 weapon and I forgot also the I80 fuma body from CT.

[Ashira]

As an example, I have played in groups that both had higher Item levels, one took about 5 tornado cycles and the other took 2. Its all about how well you can play your classes. Item level can be very deceiving, my MNK is full DL except one piece with Hellish Claws and is only I73. So that's an I90 weapon and I forgot also the I80 fuma body from CT.

Gear certainly doesn't equal skill. You can have an almost entirely item level 90 character without ever setting foot inside a Dungeon for starters. We're not taking skill into account here, because we're talking about item levels; A has nothing to do with B.

Assume a team of skilled item level 85 members kill Garuda flawlessly, then they all switch out into item level 65 gear. I don't see them meeting the Suprana and Chirada DPS checks, regardless of how well they play their classes. It's all conjecture though, I don't have any proof it can't be done; I'd actually like to be proven wrong here.

[synaesthetic]

It's possible to do Garuda EX in item level 65 gear by exploiting flaws with the item level calculations. If everyone is averaging i65, but are all decked out in five-melded crafted gear all with the best possible materia you could put in, I can see it being done.

The reason Squee makes the item level requirements low is pretty simple. They know their own itemization is flawed, and some lower item level items are better than higher item level items (especially for bard, but for other classes as well). My bard gear averages item level 68 and can outdamage bards in full Ballad Set simply because the item level 80 set is poorly itemized.

The "requirement" only really exists so that people can't troll by queueing in wearing a bikini or running around in vendor-bought stuff they intend to spiritbind and convert.

[Ashira]

The "requirement" only really exists so that people can't troll by queueing in wearing a bikini or running around in vendor-bought stuff they intend to spiritbind and convert.

They can queue in item level 65 gear then change once they're inside.

[synaesthetic]

They can queue in item level 65 gear then change once they're inside.

Well, then, that's even sillier. The item level requirement seems to be something of a "let's humor them" choice made by the developers to mollify people who complain about wiping in the duty finder.

[Nekodar]

Removing the item level requirement for premades would be nice, as I see no reason for there to be one. As for increasing the level on most Duty Finder groups, absolutely. I dare say some of these trials are impossible at the current entry level. Raising the bar wouldn't make bad players good, but at least you'd be put in with other people who are at least geared for the content.

I believe that skill is more important than gear, but skill will only get you so far. A full group of item level 65 would not meet any of the DPS checks in Garuda Extreme.

So you want to be able to go into Pharos Sirius with ilevel average of 47 or lower?
Or Ifrit Extreme with i69 or lower?

One way to get i48 average is for example:
Ifrit 2H weapon
CT Head, Body, Belt
Myth Gloves, Pants and Shoes
and no accessories at all...
Or some other mix that gives 48...
Would such a person be able to do all of the i48 content? Likely.

Going for i48 with AF and mediocre unmelded accessories? Would probably be hard to complete.

[Ashira]

So you want to be able to go into Pharos Sirius with ilevel average of 47 or lower?
Or Ifrit Extreme with i69 or lower?

You agree with me then that item level requirement needs raising?