Unrealistic ilvl requeriment

[Gandora]

They should remove the item level requirement from premade groups and increase it for Duty Finder groups.

Would that change anything? You would still face people who doesn't communicate/doesn't know the job they are playing because they geared it using another job to farm myths/idiots who leave after 1 fail & so on.

Anyway this is another debate, Skill =/= gear, its what SE had in mind. If people were actualy taking the time to try to make it work whatever iLv is high or not, this problem wouldn't exist in the 1szt place.

[Ashira]

Ilvl 70 on a fight that drops ilvl 70 is overgearing it, whether you "feel overgeared" or not.

Only I wouldn't have been item level 70; as I had an Ifrit weapon and an AK ring. I would have been more around the 66-67 mark. I don't know what any of this has to do with the topic though.

Would that change anything? You would still face people who doesn't communicate/doesn't know the job they are playing because they geared it using another job to farm myths/idiots who leave after 1 fail & so on.

Anyway this is another debate, Skill =/= gear, its what SE had in mind. If people were actualy taking the time to try to make it work whatever iLv is high or not, this problem wouldn't exist in the 1szt place.

Removing the item level requirement for premades would be nice, as I see no reason for there to be one. As for increasing the level on most Duty Finder groups, absolutely. I dare say some of these trials are impossible at the current entry level. Raising the bar wouldn't make bad players good, but at least you'd be put in with other people who are at least geared for the content.

I believe that skill is more important than gear, but skill will only get you so far. A full group of item level 65 would not meet any of the DPS checks in Garuda Extreme.

[Viridiana]

Only I wouldn't have been item level 70; as I had an Ifrit weapon and an AK ring. I would have been more around the 66-67 mark. I don't know what any of this has to do with the topic though.

66-67 is still higher than you need for Garuda hard, by a long shot. Just because you didn't feel you were overgeared doesn't mean you weren't.

The relation to the topic at hand is that a lot of people seem to vastly over-estimate what item level is actually *required* to complete content. You don't believe GX can be done at 65, stating that you had a higher ilvl than that when you did GH. I'm asserting that you were overgeared for GH, and that GX most likely *is* doable at ilvil 65.

[Ashira]

66-67 is still higher than you need for Garuda hard, by a long shot. Just because you didn't feel you were overgeared doesn't mean you weren't.

The relation to the topic at hand is that a lot of people seem to vastly over-estimate what item level is actually *required* to complete content. You don't believe GX can be done at 65, stating that you had a higher ilvl than that when you did GH. I'm asserting that you were overgeared for GH, and that GX most likely *is* doable at ilvil 65.

I had more gear that was needed, I understand that. I just highly doubt we were more than 20 item levels over the requirement as the Duty Finder would have you believe.

I don't think Garuda Extreme is doable with an item level 65 party. I welcome anyone to prove me otherwise though.

[Viridiana]

I had more gear that was needed, I understand that. I just highly doubt we were more than 20 item levels over the requirement as the Duty Finder would have you believe.

Ilvl requirement for GH is 52, apparently. I'd say it's definitely doable at that level. I'm not saying an ilvl 65 GX would be *easy*, but I think it's doable, and would be willing to work with anyone who wants to prove it.

[whiskeybravo]

Ilvl requirement for GH is 52, apparently. I'd say it's definitely doable at that level. I'm not saying an ilvl 65 GX would be *easy*, but I think it's doable, and would be willing to work with anyone who wants to prove it.

I don't know.. I've been in i75 (minimum) groups for GX and most times first set of sisters aren't killed fast enough. That could be a "skill" issue more so than "gear" issue, but the problem with Garuda XM in particular is if you don't clear each phase fast enough it just repeats and repeats, that's why they call it a DPS check, I guess.

[Makado]

As an example, I have played in groups that both had higher Item levels, one took about 5 tornado cycles and the other took 2. Its all about how well you can play your classes. Item level can be very deceiving, my MNK is full DL except one piece with Hellish Claws and is only I73. So that's an I90 weapon and I forgot also the I80 fuma body from CT.

[Viridiana]

I don't know.. I've been in i75 (minimum) groups for GX and most times first set of sisters aren't killed fast enough. That could be a "skill" issue more so than "gear" issue, but the problem with Garuda XM in particular is if you don't clear each phase fast enough it just repeats and repeats, that's why they call it a DPS check, I guess.

I can almost guarantee you that it was a skill issue.

[Nekodar]

Removing the item level requirement for premades would be nice, as I see no reason for there to be one. As for increasing the level on most Duty Finder groups, absolutely. I dare say some of these trials are impossible at the current entry level. Raising the bar wouldn't make bad players good, but at least you'd be put in with other people who are at least geared for the content.

I believe that skill is more important than gear, but skill will only get you so far. A full group of item level 65 would not meet any of the DPS checks in Garuda Extreme.

So you want to be able to go into Pharos Sirius with ilevel average of 47 or lower?
Or Ifrit Extreme with i69 or lower?

One way to get i48 average is for example:
Ifrit 2H weapon
CT Head, Body, Belt
Myth Gloves, Pants and Shoes
and no accessories at all...
Or some other mix that gives 48...
Would such a person be able to do all of the i48 content? Likely.

Going for i48 with AF and mediocre unmelded accessories? Would probably be hard to complete.

[Ashira]

So you want to be able to go into Pharos Sirius with ilevel average of 47 or lower?
Or Ifrit Extreme with i69 or lower?

You agree with me then that item level requirement needs raising?