Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[Billie21]

At that point, if they give 2 cues, they might as well allow people to select which point they wish to start from:

Beginning:
After 1st Boss:
After 2nd Boss:
etc...

Because THAT is how the 'withdraw' players are treating it anyway...so might as well give everyone the option. This way you could even form your own party to spam the boss of your desires for faster loot, leave and do it again. That's what people want right?

Heck, lets go further...just give us the option to once a week buy a cap of myth tomes or that one drop in CT you wanted with real life gil. Because again, time is too precious to actually rely on clearing a dungeon from beginning to end...let alone farm the dungeon. Just let me buy what I want and look cool and be done with it....

/sarcasm off

If anything, they should just get rid of your right as a player to select where you get placed if using DF and randomly assign everyone to a group, regardless of whether it is in progress or starting fresh, and NOT let you see where you are (beg/middle/end) until you actually enter...sorta like how Dungeon Roulette only shows you what Duty you rolled once you enter and the CS plays. This way, by default those who are trying to 'farm for a better start' would HAVE to take the 30 minute 'abandon' penalty and this behavior would mostly stop.

I can see your point about why a seperate queue might not be a good thing.
But what you're describing.. It's pretty much already the case.

As you said, Duty Roulette doesn't let you "choose" your destination, since it's not showing you what you're about to enter.
Normal DF does show you what you're about to enter, and gives you the possibility of withdrawing. TO me, that means SE doesn't mind players doing it.

Not that I would be opposed to change, as I mentionned earlier, "blind queue" is already pretty much what I'm doing.

[Kaedan94]

They need to separate the in progress queue in order to fix the problem. Any other suggestion is ignorant and childish and spawned out of pure entitlement. That 3 day ban? Ha! What a joke. The emotions of a child crying when they don't get their way.

News flash- That 3 day ban means that nobody gets the tank that wanted to queue, so you are hurting other players experience in order to cater to your own. Pathetic OP.

Congratulations on your inability to read.

If you had actually read, you would know that I have no problem with having a separate "Join In-Progress Dungeon Only" option, but we also need to keep the current system for those that both are willing to start a new dungeon or help others who have been abandoned, whichever comes first.

And for that purpose, I have suggested the 30 minute deserter penalty if you press the withdraw button three times consecutively or let the timer run three times consecutively. The suggestion for ban is only for REPEAT OFFENDERS who receive the deserter penalty on three separate occasions.

[blowfin]

Are people really that bad at this game that they need to skip bosses for easier tomes? It's so incredibly lazy, and not particularly effective.

It's faster to just run roulette and smash something like Haukke Manor (which seems to come up a lot), rather than spamming the DF for however long until you get what you want, and screw everyone else over.

[wildgalax]

Are people really that bad at this game that they need to skip bosses for easier tomes? It's so incredibly lazy, and not particularly effective.

It's faster to just run roulette and smash something like Haukke Manor (which seems to come up a lot), rather than spamming the DF for however long until you get what you want, and screw everyone else over.

i wouldnt say ineffective, i made a lot of gil before prior to 2.1 that way, and have helped a tonne of players who were stuck. Right now i really got no reason to run any dungeons, so time to time i check out the in progress and help a group out waiting for a healer.

[Sapphic]

Make 2 queues, if you don't like the longer queues then roll a tank or suck it up.

I run CT as tank, usually with FC and get the constant spam of withdraws before one actually pops. Anything upto 20-30 times I've seen it happen.

So whats your great solution there?

Best solution, and imo easiest to implement is to not show the progress of the dungeon whatsoever.

[blowfin]

Right now i really got no reason to run any dungeons, so time to time i check out the in progress and help a group out waiting for a healer.

Yeah and that use case isn't malicious unless you're spamming withdraw to make sure you get an in progress dungeon. Are you doing that? Then it doesn't really fit into the category of "helping" so much.

[Illya]

I get withdraws from all 3 roles when I queue for CT. I don't get what the deal is with hating on tanks in the OP.

[Davionx]

I run CT as tank, usually with FC and get the constant spam of withdraws before one actually pops. Anything upto 20-30 times I've seen it happen.

So whats your great solution there?

Best solution, and imo easiest to implement is to not show the progress of the dungeon whatsoever.

How bout 2 queues

[juniglee]

Are people really that bad at this game that they need to skip bosses for easier tomes? It's so incredibly lazy, and not particularly effective.

It's faster to just run roulette and smash something like Haukke Manor (which seems to come up a lot), rather than spamming the DF for however long until you get what you want, and screw everyone else over.

People simply choose the path of least resistance. Sniping dungeons for the last boss seems like the best way of dealing with potential fails in parties. For example, if you were sniping Copperbell HM, most people probably would not want to deal with teams that can't deal with the bombs in the first boss, so they'd rather take their chances, and try and find a party which has cleared the first 2 bosses, but somehow broke up before the third boss. Or it could be a premade party, for whatever reason, deciding to vote kick (against ToS) their pug tank, and bring in a friend who needs fast tomes.

i wouldnt say ineffective, i made a lot of gil before prior to 2.1 that way, and have helped a tonne of players who were stuck. Right now i really got no reason to run any dungeons, so time to time i check out the in progress and help a group out waiting for a healer.

Except if you are helping people without anything for your own personal gain, effectiveness is a moot point. These are people sniping bosses in dungeon, so that all they have to do is go up to the last boss, down it, get their tomes/weekly CT loot, and get out.

[Vanidin]

I've occasionally gotten the repeating queue popup due to players withdrawing quickly... but I've yet to see it take more than maybe a minute or so to finally enter, even if it takes 10-15 pops to get a full group. Are people actually being seriously inconvenienced by this, like taking 5 minutes or longer to enter? Hearing the chime get's annoying if it pops repeatedly yeah, but to be honest, there are plenty of other things I'd rather the dev's work on. I typically queue as healer so I usually switch to a different job to xp or something while waiting for a queue to pop, so maybe I'm just less sensitive to how long it takes?

Personally I consider people using pvp gear to circumvent gear requirements and expecting to be carried to gear a bigger issue to be addressed. Can we get the item level requirement system to be a bit smarter?