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  1. #1
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    Zeille's Avatar
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    Thiel Vigilas
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    Moot and queue. Moot and queue.

    Spell it out with me now.

    On topic, any tanks that do this are selfish d-bags and I'm all for a harsh penalty for those that do it in succession.
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    Traek Darksoul
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    I'm not sure why people are continually arguing with Angiline, they obviously don't care that this method is affecting multitudes of people daily in a negative way, so lets just note that and move on. No one wins arguing in circles with someone who just won't get it. I'm leaning towards troll either way.

    There are plenty of reasonable suggestions in this thread, I hope SE addresses this soon and implements one of them. I'm personally not happy with the current one, and what it allows.
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    Angiline Smith
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traek View Post
    I'm not sure why people are continually arguing with Angiline, they obviously don't care that this method is affecting multitudes of people daily in a negative way, so lets just note that and move on. No one wins arguing in circles with someone who just won't get it. I'm leaning towards troll either way.

    There are plenty of reasonable suggestions in this thread, I hope SE addresses this soon and implements one of them. I'm personally not happy with the current one, and what it allows.
    you do know there are several people that agree with me.... and we have proven it doesnt increase your wait time. i actually dont do this because i need loot off first 2 bosses. But i know people that do and it still doesnt bother me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Taliph View Post
    It affects me if I am gathering and I have to stop doing so to change jobs, thus removing any GP I have saved up, and then not being able to resume gathering for the amount of time it takes for a legit person to take that place... Also healers and dps tend to have much longer queue times regardless of this issue making this exploiting of the system much less likely.

    ive never waited more hten 10min solo queueing for CT as a dps and ive never waited longer then 5min as a healer for CT.
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    Gil Song
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    The solution from 90% of the responses here would leave 99% of the population banned from the game. Seriously, tell me that you haven't queue dodged for one reason or another. I will laugh in your face. "ODIN UP!" "Dang, duty just popped. Let me cancel it!" / "Oh, duty popped but so did that Unspoiled Node that I have been waiting for!" / "Ah, the daily FATE just popped!" / "I can go microwave some food and get a drink while I wait. Shit, I just missed the queue." / "Oh, you need a tank for CT, hold on let me withdraw from this duty."
    So you want SE to read every single players mind and see if they dodged for legit reasons? You want SE to waste man power and server space to keep logs of EVERY single queue dodger's dodge record? Let's be realistic here. Next tank the queues up will most likely be down for the dungeon. Stop whining because someone cost you an extra 30 seconds.

    People waste other people's time everyday in real life. You really just have to suck it up and move on with your life or you are going to find yourself bitter and worked up over little things like this.
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    Last edited by Vech; 01-15-2014 at 03:58 AM.

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    Kinseykinz's Avatar
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    Isagael Rose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vech View Post
    The solution from 90% of the responses here would leave 99% of the population banned from the game. Seriously, tell me that you haven't queue dodged for one reason or another. I will laugh in your face. "ODIN UP!" "Dang, duty just popped. Let me cancel it!" / "Oh, duty popped but so did that Unspoiled Node that I have been waiting for!" / "Ah, the daily FATE just popped!" / "I can go microwave some food and get a drink while I wait. Shit, I just missed the queue." / "Oh, you need a tank for CT, hold on let me withdraw from this duty."
    So you want SE to read every single players mind and see if they dodged for legit reasons? You want SE to waste man power and server space to keep logs of EVERY single queue dodger's dodge record? Let's be realistic here. Next tank the queues up will most likely be down for the dungeon. Stop whining because someone cost you an extra 30 seconds.

    People waste other people's time everyday in real life. You really just have to suck it up and move on with your life or you are going to find yourself bitter and worked up over little things like this.

    No. No one is saying, that if you withdraw from a cue once in like a 20 minute period...or miss the window due to being afk, and have to re-cue you are wrong. It's NOT the people who go 'damn, cue came up and but my baby is crying/withdraw' or 'damn, cue I'm in a DF cue, but my FC needs me to help on hydra/withdraw' etc.

    It's people who do this:

    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '2/3 Progress Window Pops'
    Enter.

    All spammed, until they get what THEY want. And if you get even 10 tanks across your group of servers doing this for any dungeon at any time.... it WILL increase cue times. Because they all are being Fed to the 'First group that needs a Tank' ...at least until one of them gives up or someone new comes along and accepts that spot. THEN, the next party cue opens up. Could be a 'in-progress group' could be a 'start' group. Either way, that SECOND group is also effected by the 10 Tanks not entering the first group the first time they cued for it, because the 2nd group has to wait for the first group to get a tank before tanks can even get assigned to them....look out even further and this means that Little Bard DD that cued for AK, and who's the '9th ranged DD in waiting for a AK cue' has to wait until the 10 tanks that all cued for AK, ALL go through this spam fest or accept their cue as is on first pop up.

    And the 'well you'd be waiting anyway' argument is wrong anyway, because if SE fixed this (which they most likely will because again, the purpose of the Join in Progress option was never intended as the 'skip to the goodies' option) then they will be forced, or manipulated somehow (via a re-cue lockout timer) to change their behavior and actually, get this, play the game. Not play the people playing the game. And Tanks, and others who abuse this option WILL adjust and will still enter dungeons, but now, they will do so as the instance is available to them based on when the option to enter pops, and not based on 'if i feel like starting from the beginning.


    But...the worse thing about this practice, is now with the Duty Roulette, people are abandoning their parties as soon as they enter and see where they are. As a WHM, I have replaced another healer who left at the beginning of so many dungeons, especially low level dungeons, i don't even know what to make of it. Poor level 15ish people, getting left in their very first DF experience/cue in the level 15 dungeon before they even pull one mob. What message does THAT send to new players? Especially a dungeon, that run at a normal pace only takes 20-30 minutes...I know...I've done it (the level 15 dungeon) ALOT this past month.

    Lastly, people are commenting on it's effects when they are outside waiting to enter...and that is a pain. But it happens to people within instances too. Had a tank Rage Quit on a group I had just joined because their DD's were new to AK. Watched tanks come and go/withdraw etc for about 30 minutes before we finally got a tank rep willing to start at the First boss. But by that point, we had to book it. Even one mistake/death and we might have timed out. But the DD's did great (so again, don't know why first tank ditched them), and the rep tank and I were able to explain everything/dd etc to get them through in record time (at least for 2/4 first timers). But this whole 'meh...I think I'll wait for a better cue' crap IS affecting other people, and in this case, if that tank did not join when he did, that AK party would have timed out before they cleared the dungeon...not due to their lack of skill, but due to the fact that tanks would rather play the 'cue game' than actually help anyone else.


    PS: I am using 'tanks' as the example mostly because they are the biggest repeat offenders. I know that Healers are also commonly guilty...DD's can be guilty as well, but as their cue times are longer, it is much harder for DDs or even healers to spam the cues reliably.
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    Last edited by Kinseykinz; 01-15-2014 at 06:40 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kinseykinz View Post
    No. No one is saying, that if you withdraw from a cue once in like a 20 minute period...or miss the window due to being afk, and have to re-cue you are wrong. It's NOT the people who go 'damn, cue came up and but my baby is crying/withdraw' or 'damn, cue I'm in a DF cue, but my FC needs me to help on hydra/withdraw' etc.

    It's people who do this:

    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '1/3 Progress Image Pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    'Start from Beginning Image pops'
    Withdraw
    Cue
    '2/3 Progress Window Pops'
    Enter.

    All spammed, until they get what THEY want. And if you get even 10 tanks across your group of servers doing this for any dungeon at any time.... it WILL increase cue times.

    First off, my main is WAR, and I never pull crap like that.



    But the fix is simple:

    >> Blind Queuing <<

    Don't allow "in-progress" seeking players to know the dungeon progression before they enter the instance.

    If a tank is paired with a 'Start from the beginning" Party and doesn't like it, he'll have to take the penalty when he leaves.
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    Last edited by Zantetsuken; 01-15-2014 at 07:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zantetsuken View Post
    But the fix is simple:

    >> Blind Queuing <<

    Don't allow "in-progress" seeking players to know the dungeon progression before they enter the instance.

    If a tank is paired with a 'Start from the beginning" Party and doesn't like it, he'll have to take the penalty when he leaves.
    Pretty much this. I've no idea why there's 28 pages of bizarre suggestions for progressive penalties and seperate queues when this is the easiest possible solution.

    Quote Originally Posted by Traek View Post
    The other method of *blind entering* is not a good one *in my opinion*. I never liked this in WoW, and you can often times skip a boss you might have either wanted loot or philo tomes from. This also can happen when queuing as a full group keep in mind, and could screw a lot of people (including DD/heals) out of gear.
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    That's just a risk you take for ticking the in progress box. If you want an earlier drop in the dungeon, just don't tick it.
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    Last edited by Alkimi; 01-15-2014 at 10:22 AM.

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    Soveia Shadowsong
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    "It is not against rules to withdraw repeatedly until I get a good in-progress one."

    True, neither is being the first to leave a duty, yet you get a 30min penalty for doing so.

    It has also been repeatedly explained how this withdraw spam does indeed slow your queue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vech View Post
    The solution from 90% of the responses here would leave 99% of the population banned from the game. Seriously, tell me that you haven't queue dodged for one reason or another. I will laugh in your face. "ODIN UP!" "Dang, duty just popped. Let me cancel it!" / "Oh, duty popped but so did that Unspoiled Node that I have been waiting for!" / "Ah, the daily FATE just popped!" / "I can go microwave some food and get a drink while I wait. Shit, I just missed the queue." / "Oh, you need a tank for CT, hold on let me withdraw from this duty."
    That is different from hitting withdraw repeatedly, looking for a good in-progress CT.
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    Last edited by Sove92; 01-15-2014 at 04:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sove92 View Post
    "It is not against rules to withdraw repeatedly until I get a good in-progress one."

    True, neither is being the first to leave a duty, yet you get a 30min penalty for doing so.

    There is a huge difference to back out of signing a contract BEFORE you sign it than entering contract and trying to BREAK it.
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    Lukahn Gatea
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    Ha, I am pretty awed when I meet see the rare and "special" type of person, that plagues everyone with terribly obnoxious behavior, and then when they find out how annoyed everyone is by it, thinks that it's those peoples fault for being annoyed. I hope that Angeline is 13 years old. We should all get together and pitch in for some kind of etiquette or social skills class.
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