Tanks Who Constantly Queue and Then Withdraw Trying to Get in Progress Instances

[MikoteAstra]

I have no issues putting the penalty to people who miss the queue after 45 seconds. In fact, I rather deal with immediate withdraw instead of 45 seconds of DPS AFKing because they're bored waiting for the queue. It actually aggravates me even more than the withdraw discussion.

If you don't have the patience to wait a bit for a run and just afk, then just don't bother. I know it sucks for DPS but honestly, the DD class can go do other things. IN fact, just queue up while you do dailies or hunt a map or craft or whatever. Just do something!

And here is the thing, i cant do all the things you mention when i queue ! All 10 sec i get the massage that i can go in the duty dn but then it begins with withdraw ! Let me see you how you craft or farm matirials or do questing ! And as DPS if you miss to enter you wait again from 45min to 90-120 min depends on the dn !

And all this because some idiots !!!

[KrenianKandos]

And here is the thing, i cant do all the things you mention when i queue ! All 10 sec i get the massage that i can go in the duty dn but then it begins with withdraw ! Let me see you how you craft or farm matirials or do questing ! And as DPS if you miss the to enter you wait again from 45min to 90-120 min depends on the dn !

And all this because some idiots !!!

I completely agree with you. That's why I'm FOR a "3 strikes and you're out for a bit" penalty.

Is the Join in Progress option being abused? Absolutely.

Should the person be banned for using the feature? No. That's passion overriding everyone's reason right now. I get that it frustrates you. I know if I was in your position, it would piss me off too. But to ban someone because a feature in a game is implemented and people are using it to benefit them is harsh. Should they be punished for causing simple and annoying problems? Yes. But not a ban. I completely disagree with that stance.

[MikoteAstra]

I completely agree with you. That's why I'm FOR a "3 strikes and you're out for a bit" penalty.

Is the Join in Progress option being abused? Absolutely.

Should the person be banned for using the feature? No. That's passion overriding everyone's reason right now. I get that it frustrates you. I know if I was in your position, it would piss me off too. But to ban someone because a feature in a game is implemented and people are using it to benefit them is harsh. Should they be punished for causing simple and annoying problems? Yes. But not a ban. I completely disagree with that stance.

I agree with you!

But i do wonder if this 30min penalty will be enough! We have it now for leaving a dn in progress, yet in CT once people get the loot they wanted they are simply gone!

Im for harder penaltys so that people once and for all get it! Maybe 12h penalty !

[KrenianKandos]

I agree with you!

But i do wonder if this 30min penalty will be enough! We have it now for leaving a dn in progress, yet in CT once people get the loot they wanted they are simply gone!

Im for harder penaltys so that people once and for all get it! Maybe 12h penalty !

Why would it be a different penalty than the one on when you leave an instance? It's one in the same as if you do leave an instance first, you're inconveniencing the group and leaving them dry. Also, the queue still will give you other people. No, a 30 minute penalty, I think, is enough. Besides, if someone wants to do it, they'll still do it, 12 hour penalty or not. 12 hours is a bit excessive. You pretty much remove that person's ability to do anything in the game which is wrong for something that at most can cause about an hour of problems for a DD.

30 minutes is more than enough

[Aegis]

But to ban someone because a feature in a game is implemented and people are using it to benefit them is harsh.

That checkbox is there to say 'I am open to doing in progress runs also' There is no option to do them only.

Would you apply the same logic to a premade kicking a PUG tank when tank gear drops? The kick feature is in game and people are using it to benefit themselves. The difference is, we can report them, we cannot report the anonymous tank that drops and inconveniences others.

Because there's no way to join in-progress only, just a flag that puts you in both fresh and in-progress queues. If there was an "in-progress only" queue all the tanks would just use that all the time and nobody would get into dungeons ever.

Well, if they weren't getting into any dungeons ever, they would move over to the other queue, no?

[KrenianKandos]

That checkbox is there to say 'I am open to doing in progress runs also' There is no option to do them only.

Would you apply the same logic to a premade kicking a PUG tank when tank gear drops? The kick feature is in game and people are using it to benefit themselves. The difference is, we can report them, we cannot report the anonymous tank that drops and inconveniences others.

No, and that's why I also added in one of my post that this needs to be reviewed so you're taking my quote out of context in this case.

I stated that right now, the "Join in Progress" is not ideal because of the fact that people abuse it. But I don't think it's the player's fault for abusing it: the onus falls on both parties. S-E needs to implement something to counter this and that's why I said maybe add a queue for the JoP checkbox and have those people together. It would help them out and just add them in a queue that can ONLY do that and not join a run that starts.

It's not ideal but I do agree that it's not working properly because this was intended to let them help out others that have a tank disappear on them and don't want to restart the duty.