PLEASE, stop teaching/telling new healers to DPS

[Lyrinn]

Took what out of context? It was a direct quote. You said that. I disagree. The expense isn't worth the so-called benefit for the most part. The stun isn't anything to write home about either.

You can spam Cures on your tank all day in a WP SR or you can spam Holy and DPS down the mobs faster while not having to worry about the heals because they're all stunned. Take your pick. Or was that not part of "context" to you?

No. Just no. Stop. Not true. Telling a healer to assume two roles while managing your health and their mana perfectly is not "playing to full potential," and does not compare (not that YOU argued this, but most people do) to the full potential of a DD class doing damage or a tank mitigating it. If you're maxing DD, you're doing it right. If you're holding hate and mitigating damage, you're doing it right. If you're keeping everyone alive (within the confines of their ability to avoid stupid damage), you're doing it right. Doing anything more than that is just an added bonus and should be praised not demanded.

That's because healer is the only role that has the potential to stand around and not do its job for periods of time. If a tank grabs aggro and just stands there (and assuming he doesn't lose it), he's still tanking the mob. DPS is, well, always DPSing. If people are topped off and not taking much damage, what are you going to do? Just stand there and watch until someone's hp drops to 75%? Note that I'm not talking about all fights as this obviously isn't the case but there are a number of fights that are not healing intensive; one regen and/or one medica II is enough to keep everyone happy. Not only that, but just standing around is boring. As I like to say, healing is boring when no one is dying.

And in case you don't read about the other roles, people bash on the same things. A BLM that doesn't use a proper rotation to maximise DPS will get flak for wasting potential. A tank that's far ahead on aggro and doesn't SS spike damage is wasting potential.

Holy takes out what, like 2% of each mob's health?

Do you even SR?

[Jyoeru]

You can spam Cures on your tank all day in a WP SR or you can spam Holy and DPS down the mobs faster while not having to worry about the heals because they're all stunned. Take your pick. Or was that not part of "context" to you?

My reply was in context. Holy takes out what, like 2% of each mob's health? I had a group the other day for WP run, and they pulled large, and I was dancing between cures and cleric SS and Holy spam. Drank my mana, and with like 7 holys, I felt like there was no point. Not worth it.

Now, again, Garuda EX plumes, 3x holy = plume down. Fine. Do it then. But that's about the only time. You're better off having solid AOE for those other runs and then casting Stone II/Aero on single targets. Oh, you CAN and SHOULD holy the adds on 2nd WP boss. 3x holy there = most/all adds down. Fine. But that's not the norm.

I still had to dance cures and holys. So, no, 7x holy in a row (a) doesn't effectively mitigate damage with the stun and (b) doesn't do enough damage to get excited about and (c) drinks WAY too much mana. Not worth it IMO.

[Jyoeru]

That's because healer is the only role that has the potential to stand around and not do its job for periods of time. If a tank grabs aggro and just stands there (and assuming he doesn't lose it), he's still tanking the mob. DPS is, well, always DPSing. If people are topped off and not taking much damage, what are you going to do? Just stand there and watch until someone's hp drops to 75%? Note that I'm not talking about all fights as this obviously isn't the case but there are a number of fights that are not healing intensive; one regen and/or one medica II is enough to keep everyone happy. Not only that, but just standing around is boring. As I like to say, healing is boring when no one is dying.

And in case you don't read about the other roles, people bash on the same things. A BLM that doesn't use a proper rotation to maximise DPS will get flak for wasting potential. A tank that's far ahead on aggro and doesn't SS spike damage is wasting potential.


Do you even SR?

You kinda reinforced my point. You said if a tank grabs aggro and stands there, he is still tanking (and that's okay). Well, he should be maximizing DPS in your formula to be a full-potential tank. He should also be casting SS and heals on himself (PLD) to be just as pro.

BLM maximizing dps is a part of the BLM role. BLM healing himself and/or tank, and having other useful--but not really mandatory--spells and perks up would make him maximize his potential.

Those are relevant arguments. Doing stuff outside of your general function to "be all you can be." You're simply applying that logic to a healer then giving a tank a grace of being all he can be by keeping aggro and DPS being all they can be by maximizing damage. Not parallel to my counterpoint.

I probably don't SR since I have no idea what that is. Is that bad?

Shop 'round?
Share raspberries?
Send r-rated texts?
Save rabbits?
Store rhubarb?

I must know what this is so I know if I am doing it or need to be.