Has SE Addressed Stat Allocation on ACN Yet?

[Maku]

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Yes exactly, you get 12 crit. Myth ones give 16

One last thing. You seem to be forgetting that this whole thread is about the issue of having two jobs stem from ACN. Going full into VIT is the best option because of that.

If I use your numbers you just gave of a full IL70 than that was 45MND INT VIT and 30PIE

Full IL90 is (for SCH) 65MND 52 PIE 54CRIT (for SMN) 65INT 48CRIT and 43SS

Now the point allocation is an issue cause of how you need 10k seals to change it. By using all IL70 like you say and the putting all there points in INT if they are a SMN is absolutly going to give them more VIT(too much actually) and 10more INT. But wait, what if you want to play SCH for a bit? that 30 INT is totally wasted because you DPS in Cleric Stance.

If you play both classes (like I do) going VIT is the best choice for the 30 points. PIE means nothing to either job because our MP is crazy awesome and even if you are running our more than likely your WHM is as well (you will have a second healer in content that would even have a chance of running you dry) and the BRD will be singing by then.

For people who play both jobs VIT is the only way to go. 50/50 MND/INT is not gimping you but it is wasting 15 points while on the other job where as both jobs get the same HP bonus from the VIT.

[OmegaNovaios]

Yes exactly, you get 12 crit. Myth ones give 16

4 Crit is pretty minimal.

One last thing. You seem to be forgetting that this whole thread is about the issue of having two jobs stem from ACN. Going full into VIT is the best option because of that.

My recommendation is to stat for PIE as ACN if using both SMN and SCH, as I stated even earlier in this thread.

If you play both classes (like I do) going VIT is the best choice for the 30 points. PIE means nothing to either job because our MP is crazy awesome and even if you are running our more than likely your WHM is as well (you will have a second healer in content that would even have a chance of running you dry) and the BRD will be singing by then.

I don't play SCH very often and haven't tried it all in EG, but SMN certainly benefits from PIE. PIE increases your MP (also affects Aetherflow gains) and your MP Regen. Both are important for replacing Energy Drain uses with more Fester/Bane uses in shorter fights, or keeping you from bottoming out of MP and/or saving more Aether stacks/CDs for much more important burst mechanics in longer fights (which can make or break the fight). Loss in 10% (which can arguably be replaced in having more Aethers that aren't used on Energy Drain or allowing the SMN to sustain max DPS for a longer period of time w/o holding back) will not make or break a fight, if it does then other jobs will surely be pressed to meet that demand.

Like I said before VIT is only useful in PVE for Turn 5 if you don't meet the HP requirement to survive Fireball, but I'm also pretty sure that Healers have a slightly higher HP pool compared to Casters. If the HP requirement is met on SMN and SCH then PIE is 100% more useful than VIT for PVE. For SCH PIE is 100% more useful than VIT and INT. For SMN you have a choice of INT and PIE, INT if you want slightly higher numbers and trying to gain #1 on parsers in every fight, PIE if you realize that making or breaking a fight can rely on something other than 5-10% extra dmg, such as being able to save Aethers for critical points in fights.

For example on Turn 5 sustaining 100% DPS all the way up to Conflags while saving 3 stacks of Aether and an extra CD ready for 3 more so you can have 2 stacks per Conflag to Bane all AOEs AND Fester for each one is far more feasible with more PIE. Being able to throw out an extra cure for 450-470 (30% increase over jewelry w/o MND which can be used on BOTH SMN and SCH) instead of a Ruin in critical situations. Sure you can argue that the tank/healers could do better if the critical situation fails but being able to contribute to that moment is worth the chance to not fail. This way of playing (which is effective) will appear more relevant IF Hybrid Jobs are released (IE RDM or BLU).

You can't always gamble your stats on requiring the 2nd healer being equal to you (could need more MP if your worse and have bad MP management or could need more MP to make up for the lack of MP management of the other healer) or a BRD for MP on longer fights especially in the future when more jobs release and BRDs become more rare as a job of choice. I've seen the 2nd healer (WHM) fall off the ledge in Titan EX with the 1st healer (SCH) solo healing the ENTIRE 2nd half of the fight (which is the much more difficult half) and win. In this case PIE will help and neither MND (which isn't even an option if you also play SMN) nor VIT will. Basically this game is 80% skill and 20% gear. You should stat for the situations that actually matter/pose a threat because the rest is easy.

[Exstal]

There is no issue with stat allocation. It's the trade off for using two jobs from one class. Square Enix should have made you level them both separately but still branch from Arcanist. You level "SMN" to 50 but your SCH is still at L30 unless you put effort into it. Since that's not that case, you have to deal with it.

As for actually allocating stats..putting points into anything other than your main stat is a question in utility. Personally, I've never even remotely considered using VIT stack as a non-tank, PIE stack as anything, or splitting stats between SCH / SMN. Leveling another character altogether if you want to play both religiously since you've circumvented having to level two jobs by just leveling one class.

[Karnage720]

I'm just not going to play SMN anymore for anything serious. All in all, you are gimping yourself by not doing 30 INT. If not, go tell a MNK or DRG to go full VIT and see what they say. /thread

[Zoomie]

This doesn't seem like much of a penalty for getting a close to "free" second job. I'm not saying that its a non-existant down side or that it doesn't warrant a thread... just that its not that unreasonable to have to deal with.

[Parodine]

It's dumb that SMN levels along with SCH. I haven't even unlocked SCH yet, but as soon as I do, it's sitting at level 50 for me? It's an odd feeling. Unfortunately the stat points are the trade-off.

If the stat issue becomes important you could do 15 INT/15 MND...or put in 20 x/10 x for whichever one you play more.

[Calyanare]

This doesn't seem like much of a penalty for getting a close to "free" second job. I'm not saying that its a non-existant down side or that it doesn't warrant a thread... just that its not that unreasonable to have to deal with.

This right here. There are several ways to deal with it, and honestly 30 points is NOT going to make or break your character. Endgame is just not tuned that tightly when it comes to stats. If you're into hardcore min-maxing, just grind seals and re-spec whenever you change. If you're not a hardcore min-maxer, then this isn't even an issue. Put your points wherever you want, and forget about them.

I personally think PIE is underrated for ACN jobs and is probably much better than people realize, but it doesn't really matter what I think. Put your points wherever they'll be most useful to you and what you want to do.

[reckless76]

Just put it all into int and when you play as sch, reverse your usage of Cleric Stance. :P

[Calyanare]

Just put it all into int and when you play as sch, reverse your usage of Cleric Stance. :P

This doesn't work at all, since Cleric Stance has a built-in heal debuff (20% I think? I'm not in-game to check).