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  1. #11
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    OmegaNovaios's Avatar
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    Omega Novaios
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Karnage720 View Post
    My main USED to be SMN. Like many, I unlocked SCH just for the lulz and to have another 50 job. Unfortunately, I ended up liking it ><. So much that I made it my main over my SMN so I switched my stats to MND. I don't want to retire my SMN entirely but I also don't want to play a gimped SMN, and -30 INT is a gimped SMN. I don't recall them addressing this problem, but maybe I missed it, hopefully one of you guys know.
    If you allocate PIE instead both SMN and SCH benefit. SMN needs more MP/MP regen to sustain 100% uptime on longer fights and/or to conserve up to 6 aethers (saving 3 + CD for another 3) for bursting DPS checks. SCH needs the same for longer fights it's just not for DPS checks. If the fight isn't that long then you "SHOULDN'T" have an issue with either job no matter how you spec.
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  2. #12
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    Akirakogami's Avatar
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    Akira Pink
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    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Archer Lv 50
    I've seen snm with 4750 HP with mostly DL. It's not ideal, but you could put points into pie and vit and both jobs would benifit.

    they should put some pie scaling on some of the arc abilities.
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  3. #13
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    Viridiana's Avatar
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    Aria Placida
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    Lamia
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    Ninja Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by Akirakogami View Post
    they should put some pie scaling on some of the arc abilities.
    Why would an Archer want Piety?
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  4. #14
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    Allyrion Windwalker
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    Samurai Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    Why would an Archer want Piety?
    For longer songs. Obviously.
    Lol.
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  5. #15
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    Ildur's Avatar
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    Ulanan Ulan
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Mailstrum View Post
    i constantly switch between STR PLD for pvp and ViT PLD For PVE. 10k seals are not that hard to come by.
    That only makes the Stat issue more evident: you aren't changing your stats because you have a hard tactical choice. You are changing them because you are changing your focus from PvE to PvP. It's akin to wearing heavy clothes when its winter and light clothes when its summer. The only choice given is: "Do you want to be bad at this or not?"
    And that, sir, is not really a choice.



    Quote Originally Posted by Shamirah
    Why is this game "alt-unfriendly" ? There is absolutely nothing preventing you to level up some alts. Nothing.
    This is like saying: "Why are deserts unfriendly to humans? There is absolutely nothing preventing you from travelling through it. Nothing!" Which is, sadly, to miss the point.

    This game is alt-unfriendly because its systems were not made to benefit alts. They are allowed to exist, yes. The same way you can build a house in the dessert. But getting water and food to that house in the dessert is going to be quite problematic compared to, say, staying in your house in the forest.
    We can start for the fact that you can't send gear to your alt characters unless you get a friend to do it for you (which is a needless chore) and you can't use mounts until level 20 which, no matter how fast you think levelling an alt to level 20 is, it will always be much slower than having your chocobo available since level 1 like your main character probably can. What's more: the more alts you have, the more time you have to spend levelling them all to 20 to unlock your mount. Time that, you know, you could be using on that single character to get to certain class levels faster.
    And if you don't want the mounts you still have to level them up to 15 to unlock airship travel and dyes. The first you'll need to move your alt around and the second you'll need unless you want to look like an idiot with yellow pants, a green shirt and blue kitchen mitts.
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  6. #16
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    ValorSekari's Avatar
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    Ren Ackerman
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    Faerie
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    White Mage Lv 80
    So I should put 15 on vit/piety if I plan to play both jobs?
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    Kizuna Astin
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    Cactuar
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Thorauku View Post
    Lockouts.

    /10char
    Pretty sure by Alt he meant level up different charactor not swapping to different Job on the same charactor.
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  8. #18
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    Asriel Blackthorne
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    Malboro
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ildur View Post
    This game is alt-unfriendly because its systems were not made to benefit alts. They are allowed to exist, yes. The same way you can build a house in the dessert. But getting water and food to that house in the dessert is going to be quite problematic compared to, say, staying in your house in the forest.
    We can start for the fact that you can't send gear to your alt characters unless you get a friend to do it for you (which is a needless chore) and you can't use mounts until level 20 which, no matter how fast you think levelling an alt to level 20 is, it will always be much slower than having your chocobo available since level 1 like your main character probably can. What's more: the more alts you have, the more time you have to spend levelling them all to 20 to unlock your mount. Time that, you know, you could be using on that single character to get to certain class levels faster.
    And if you don't want the mounts you still have to level them up to 15 to unlock airship travel and dyes. The first you'll need to move your alt around and the second you'll need unless you want to look like an idiot with yellow pants, a green shirt and blue kitchen mitts.
    I'm not quite sure how "new characters have to unlock things" is really much of an argument for a game being especially alt unfriendly, it's pretty much standard fare: You're complaining about building any house at all at that point.

    Listing the benefits of leveling a new class on the same character as a penalty for rolling an alt and deliberately omitting the benefits of having alts seems disingenuous too.
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  9. #19
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    Calyanare Vendaurel
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    Hyperion
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ValorSekari View Post
    So I should put 15 on vit/piety if I plan to play both jobs?
    That's what I did, and it works well. You get around 1 point of heal/damage per stat point in MND/INT, so the difference is actually minimal. Remember that in addition to increasing your MP pool, PIE also increases MP regen as well, which is pretty useful... In some situations (like PvP or Turn 5), 30 VIT is not a horrible idea either, IMO.

    Quote Originally Posted by Remn View Post
    Pretty sure by Alt he meant level up different charactor not swapping to different Job on the same charactor.
    Making separate characters gets you around the lockouts, but has its own problems, the biggest of which in my estimation is the need for redundant leveling to unlock cross-class skills (and basic ones like mounts, airship, etc.). Ain't nobody got time for that (at least, it sounds horribly mind-numbing and wasteful to me).
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  10. #20
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    Maku Haikasu
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    Mateus
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    Black Mage Lv 70
    Go all VIT. You will notice that many people have melded Accessories to up their VIT for turn 5 on both SMN and SCH. If you just pump those 30points into VIT like I did you can forget about the melded accessories and actually use healer or DPS accessories. ^^ VIT all the way.
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