The Monk Temple

[Rapiso]

hey guys, so with the new primal-ex accessories that offer accuracy (namely ifrit wrists) i came up with a new pre-t5 BiS that i'd like to ask y'all to evaluate.

w/an HQ stuffed cabbage Acc = 481, NQ = 477
http://xivdb.com/?wardrobe/6346/Monk---BiS-(pre-t5)

i use the fuma chest because, on paper, the secondary stats on fuma seem to outweigh the melee chest - and that's from both sets of secondary stat weights i've seen (being Det= 0.22/Cr= 0.16/SS= 0.146 and Det= 0.223/Cr= 0.154/SS= 0.156, respectively), with only a -6 Vit loss (87hp).

any thoughts?

I think an ilvl 80 piece can't be BiS, because of strength loss

[TheHomieData]

I think an ilvl 80 piece can't be BiS, because of strength loss

albeit the loss of 4 str would at first glance make the melee the better piece, the math comes out to:
using str: 1.0, det: 0.223, Crit: 0.154, SkSp: 0.156
melee - 32.744
fuma - 32.917

using the "standard melee" stat weights of str: 1.0, det: 0.22, Crit: 0.16, Sks: 0.146
melee - 32.504
fuma - 32.98

plus, fuma isn't butt-ugly neon yellow

edit - also, i don't really consider skillspeed to be a useful stat for mnk, but that's personal preference

[Rapiso]

albeit the loss of 4 str would at first glance make the melee the better piece, the math comes out to:
using str: 1.0, det: 0.223, Crit: 0.154, SkSp: 0.156
melee - 32.744
fuma - 32.917

using the "standard melee" stat weights of str: 1.0, det: 0.22, Crit: 0.16, Sks: 0.146
melee - 32.504
fuma - 32.98

plus, fuma isn't butt-ugly neon yellow

edit - also, i don't really consider skillspeed to be a useful stat for mnk, but that's personal preference

You forget the 34 accuracy ...

[Allyrion]

You forget the 34 accuracy ...

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

Ignore me.

[Rhained]

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

You still need to make up for the lost accuracy somewhere else, and that means taking an item with accuracy on another stat rather than det or crit.

Theirs no way a ilvl 80 item is gonna fit on any BiS, it might be good only if your current gear has waaay too much accuracy. And having too much accuracy is the one and only exception of CT chest being better than myth.

[Allyrion]

You still need to make up for the lost accuracy somewhere else, and that means taking an item with accuracy on another stat rather than det or crit.

Theirs no way a ilvl 80 item is gonna fit on any BiS, it might be good only if your current gear has waaay too much accuracy. And having too much accuracy is the one and only exception of CT chest being better than myth.

Like I said, I'm unsure of how the strength can be made up.
However, the accuracy is shuffled in such a way to reduce Skill Speed as much as possible.
I'm not sure it should] be completely ignored even though it has the lowest stat weight, but that's clearly the intention.
When following that, you just have to get more gains from the higher valued stats to equal out loss of strength (which is improbable with those weights).

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I now see though, that the comparison was item by item rather set by set.
So I don't really know how they valued the accuracy.

After calculating it myself -
That comparison literally just left out accuracy weight completely.
I take back all defense of their reasoning. You can't leave out a stat completely from an item and there's no way for the Melee Cyclas to lose if the accuracy is given proper weight.
Even using food to make up the acc, you're using the Stuffed Cabbage instead of the Black Truffle Risotto.
So yea, I'm with Rhained and Rapiso.

Can't believe this !

Hey, I took it back.
I just read it wrong >_>

[TheHomieData]

snippety snip snip>

so then the combined total of using equip to put you above acc cap + determination food (buttons/black truffle) outweighs using gear + accuracy food?

[Rapiso]

Didn't she mention gaining the ACC from the ifrit bracelet and the stuffed cabbage food?
I still can't see losing 4 str being worth it. But the stat weights seem about right.

Can't believe this !