The Monk Temple

[Kadas]

I'm using these stat weights. I don't have a number for accuracy so I am going to plug a random number in at 0.8 since it sounds like a reasonable weight before cap (Even though it is probably much higher.)

uh my bad, I used the wrong stats to compare it.

Still, why are you giving a weight to accuracy anyway? It does not interact with damage, as it's a given it is going to be capped for the content you're going to do.
You can compare best in slots that get you to the accuracy cap and work out other stat differences, if you want to do a neat job, or you can just disregard it and assume you will have capped acc through the rest of your gear.
But giving it a random value just doesn't seem to make sense to me, there's a reason there is no weight for accuracy.

[Traison]

The reason it has no weight is because it hasn't been found yet, its a hard stat to calculate. You have to factor it in though because its part of the itemization of the weapon and has given up other stats in place of it, also it's a stat that can make you lose tons of dps, its not something that is just for extra dps or quality of life, it is necessary.
The only reason I give it a random value is just to prove my point. It can be pretty much any value and will prove that the Sphairai is better than the Claws.
As for assuming you will just reach the cap naturally, yes you can do this, however it is largely inefficient and will more often than not waste a lot of stat points on Accuracy when its not needed and can be spent on better stats.

[Kadas]

You gave it a random value just to make it work out better for you and prove your point through random numbers.

Accuracy has no weight, it's not that it's hard to find. Either it's capped or it's not, and you cap it through all your gear, not just one piece.
Assuming you have capped acc, you will have one decent gear set, and when comparing gear sets, the one with less Skill Speed and more Det/Crit, still assuming capped acc, will generally win (as you can see from weights that are generally accepted).
Now, you have one absurd amount of Skill Speed vs a very high amount of Det. If you can weigh out the accuracy on other slots (and you can), you've got yourself a better set.

[Traison]

Accuracy definitely has a weight... Every MMO that uses a Accuracy system and has had it figured out will prove you wrong with that. The high number I used was because Accuracy is such a mandatory stat, that until it is capped, it is a really highly weighted stat. Take WoW for example, I remember times when Accuracy or Expertise could rise over the main stat because it is just too important not to have capped, however falls quickly to 0 once it is met.
I agree with what you said in regards to selecting what is better. You cannot select an item as "Best in Slot" by just looking it solely, you have to look at the entire set, however looking at the items compared just stat per stat, with stat weights that have been calculated using your own gear, a clear victor can be chosen.

[Allyrion]

You cannot select an item as "Best in Slot" by just looking it solely, you have to look at the entire set, however looking at the items compared just stat per stat, with stat weights that have been calculated using your own gear, a clear victor can be chosen.

pound for pound Sphairai is better, however based on your gear, if you are over the acc cap then claws are better. I would say that its better to find a way to lower your accuracy elsewhere so you can switch to the Sphairai (this is my opinion based on weights of each weapon.)

You're absolutely right about having to look at entire sets and that it depends on your gear as well as any extra pieces you have access to.

However, the fact of the matter is that
1) Since the Hellclaws are perfectly itemized with det and crit, it is one of the better options to drop accuracy for. Not the other way around. You can compensate for the acc loss in other ways.
2) The true BiS is the Allagan Baghnakhs. It has no accuracy whatsoever, so you might as well start compensating for the accuracy loss anyway. There are very good options to gain accuracy with the accessories which will allow you to cap while minimizing skill speed (since most of the accessory accuracy pieces don't have it).

Accuracy is a stat that drops to 0 when capped in general. Because of this, you look at the whole gearset's value. The Hellish claws can make for a superior set since you can get that accuracy cap while maximizing the highest weighted stats. Skill speed may not be useless but minimizing it in favor of crit and det leads to dps gains simply because the returns are better. The Hellish Claws allows for this.

So it's better to say, it's preferable to gain accuracy in other places so that you can pick up the Hellish Claws since it allows for a superior set. However, if you need the accuracy from the Zenith Relic, then hold onto it.

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If Easymodex or Panda is reading this.
Have you all simulated accuracy loss in regards to MNK to any extent? My fc mate dropped his accuracy to like 455 and still only misses >1% of the time(according to his parses in T5)? He thinks that acc loss in mnks isn't actually a huge dps loss unlike in any of the other classes (unless the extremely rare chance it causes you to lose GL3). He believes the dps gains from a few misses(from probably auto-attacks) is not as much as the gains in general.

He parses higher anyway, after dropping accuracy. This is in T5.

Just wondering. I'm still keeping at the cap for now.

[Kadas]

My point is that it does not require a weight because you are going with the assumption it is always going to be capped. And as it's capped, it has no weight whatsoever, as any increase or decrease while still capped is irrelevant.

So you can just disregard it and consider other stats to determine what is going to help you deal the most damage.

You said it yourself, its weight falls to 0 once it is met, and everyone assumes it is always met, since as of now the cap is fairly low and easy to reach.

[Wingszerodrive]

well as to respond to the above post... my monk hits about 260 with no buffs on so thats ok also when u said 250 is that a crit hit? or ?... as far as dps goes for monk is all about keeping ur GL up and using the right position ex. bootshine from rear, and demolish for max dot dmg , since you do have DL ur DPS should be fine for ifrit hardmode as u can do that fight with full AF so dont worry about that!

[DrakeWarplain]

its critical hit auto attack is about 113

[Allyrion]

its critical hit auto attack is about 113

I find that MNKs scale pretty well overall with gear. Generally, it's Det>Crit>Skill speed for secondary stats. You also want accuracy to around 472 if you plan on doing coil.
You'll also see a fairly large increase in dps when you upgrade your weapon.

I don't know how weak your dps is since I can't see. But you can't judge your dps by just how much an attack does compared to another class. Mnk's rate of attack is the fastest for any dps, so our attacks are smaller as a result. If you think you're doing poorly just because of that, don't sweat it.
Our auto-attacks are affected by GL3 (but not by skill speed) and make up a significant portion of our damage as a result. If your rotation is fine, you're hitting your positionals as much as you can and not dropping GL3 (as much as you can) then you should be on your way.

[ziddyt]

Here's an updated Monk gearset solver if anyone's interested:
https://mega.co.nz/#!9BRA0BhY!LfVyDR...lRbdGb3XcOvC0s

Tried to make it very customizable. Lemme know if there's any errors.

Preview:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...UE&usp=sharing