First article about the House pricing.

[EvalcieChevallier]

And again:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/12/...ousing-prices/

Yasumi Matsuno (TacticsOgre, FinalFantasyTactics, VagrantStory, FinalFantasyXII etc) retweeted it https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno

[Meenkieblade]

Just my 2 cents;

GREAT SUGGESTION FOLLOWS! (imo!)
Lets see starter houses! Something around a few hundred thousand gil or so...with a few things customizable.
About the equivalent of a van down by the river...Maybe a shack on a hill...Thief's den!
Maybe these could be located in the hamlets scattered around! Kind of like living in the suburbs.


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It's fine to have some high rank housing to work towards! I'd love to see our FC upgrade from a p.o.s. first house to a mansion at some point!

The crappy thing is...these HUGE price tags to even get started is just wrong. If anything, it encourages players to buy gil and get banned in the process. >_< Face it, this isn't the best way to get an FC to work together. SE is kind of assuming everyone in an FC is driven to build the bank....and that's just not true. Only the most hardcore FCs have most of their' members grinding like that. It's just not realistic.

[Juran]

Because god forbid there be something we can't obtain in a week and make trivial in a matter of seconds.

[Abriael]

And again:

http://www.dualshockers.com/2013/12/...ousing-prices/

Yasumi Matsuno (TacticsOgre, FinalFantasyTactics, VagrantStory, FinalFantasyXII etc) retweeted it https://twitter.com/YasumiMatsuno

Haha I was surprised when he retweeted that, but apparently he's a very avid Final Fantasy XIV player, so it's not surprising that he's concerned about the prices like all of us

He should sit Yoshi-P down and have a long chat with him about it.

[Welsper59]

Just my 2 cents;

GREAT SUGGESTION FOLLOWS! (imo!)
Lets see starter houses! Something around a few hundred thousand gil or so...with a few things customizable.
About the equivalent of a van down by the river...Maybe a shack on a hill...Thief's den!
Maybe these could be located in the hamlets scattered around! Kind of like living in the suburbs.


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It's fine to have some high rank housing to work towards! I'd love to see our FC upgrade from a p.o.s. first house to a mansion at some point!

The crappy thing is...these HUGE price tags to even get started is just wrong. If anything, it encourages players to buy gil and get banned in the process. >_< Face it, this isn't the best way to get an FC to work together. SE is kind of assuming everyone in an FC is driven to build the bank....and that's just not true. Only the most hardcore FCs have most of their' members grinding like that. It's just not realistic.

In other words, what you (and most others) are looking for is personal housing. If it's unrealistic to expect people in the FC to work towards a goal, then the only complaint is that you're not going to get the house (an FC related goal). Personal housing is planned to come later. Just wait until then.

And in light of the pathetic situation, if this is depressing enough for people to feel a need to quit, then just... wow... you should never play an MMORPG. You will always complain and always feel disappointed in life. If long term goals (that are not even remotely necessary), can be scary to take on, you're playing the wrong genre of games to have a lot of fun with.

[Abriael]

In other words, what you (and most others) are looking for is personal housing.

False. Most people are looking for GC housing.

If it's unrealistic to expect people in the FC to work towards a goal

The goal to work towards should be getting a larger house and filling it with rare furniture. Not getting a house *at all*

That's why ALL MMORPGs that provide housing have an entry level option to engage players in the feature, with much more costly options to look forward to for the long run.

And in light of the pathetic situation, if this is depressing enough for people to feel a need to quit, then just... wow... you should never play an MMORPG. You will always complain and always feel disappointed in life. If long term goals (that are not even remotely necessary), can be scary to take on, you're playing the wrong genre of games to have a lot of fun with.

Housing is a high engagement feature in most MMORPGs. That's why it's considered important by a large percentage of MMORPG players.

Maybe you should stop comparing what people expect from games with what people expect from real life, because it immediately makes your argument completely invalid.

[Nourah]

Ive made over 1 mil without even having any crafting classes leveled by just running my weekly dungeons and i started in 2.0 :|

I've made 2 mil with very little effort. With the increase in leve/dungeon rewards and treasure hunting I expect to earn 20k/day easily. I'm on Exodus (in the 2nd to lowest economy bracket). I do think the prices are a little higher than they should be but I anticipate SE will bring them down should no houses sell.

[Eekiki]

False. Most people are looking for GC housing.

Says who? You? Again, you imply that you speak for most when you only speak for yourself. You have no idea what most people are looking for.

You have a blog, and people follow your blog. Naturally, the people who regularly follow your blog are going to tend to agree with what you say, or at least give you the impression that they agree. This creates an illusion that because you have this group of people who supposedly agree with what you wrote in your blog, your blog must be an accurate barometer of the interests of the community at large.

Housing is a high engagement feature in most MMORPGs. That's why it's considered important by a large percentage of MMORPG players.

Where do you get this from? Stop pulling factoids out of thin air. It makes your arguments seem baseless.

Looking at the threads opened on the topic, most people are quite evidently talking about company housing.

That's because company housing is what's in this patch! If it was personal housing, do you think most people would still be talking about FC housing?

As long as "Stop pulling factoids out of thin air" is the only way you have to counter my argument, it stands.

That's now how it works. You can't make claims without backing them up with verifiable data and expect people to not question your claims. I'm telling you what I think, and that's what I think. You're telling people what you think and claiming it is fact. That is hearsay.

Any long standing experience around MMORPGs will tell you exactly what I wrote. Housing is a high engagement feature because it allows players to *own* by themselves or through their guild something persistent in the world outside of their own persona. It's normally the only feature that allows that, and that makes it stand out a lot.

If housing wasn't such a big element for many, you think Square Enix would have made it into the most hyped factor of their first content patch?

I don't think FC housing makes or breaks the game as much as you think it does.

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I get it.

You're the one arguing. I'm just refuting you. It's very easy to do, since all you have going for you is stuff you made up, opinions presented as facts, and ad hominem attacks.

Strawman argument.

I do not think that means what you think it means.

High engagement features should not be tied to a single playstyle, penalizing all others.

Maybe you do know what it means. You're certainly very adept at making strawman arguments yourself.

You saying that an argumentation is a bad argumentation doesn't automatically make it so.

Nor does your writing something in a blog and posting it on a forum.

You're a writer. Your job is to convince people you know what you're talking about even when you don't. And when the inevitable occurs and someone stands up and says, "Wait a minute, I think you've got the wrong idea because X Y and Z," well, that's a threat to you. If people are easily able to discredit you, how are you supposed to convince them you know what you're talking about when you obviously don't?

You aren't a game designer. You aren't a network engineer. You aren't a data center administrator. And even if you were all of those things and more, you aren't one of the people who work on this game. You don't have the population data. You don't know how much gil is in circulation. You don't know the capacity of the data center, or how much is budgeted for maintenance and expansion. You don't know how the devs planned and forecast FC housing. The list goes on. Nobody know any of those things except the devs. Anyone who looks at those housing prices and thinks anything other than, "Gosh, that seems kind of high. But Yoshi says they'll be adjusted if that turns out to be true, and the game's been pretty successful under his management. So I'll see what happens," are basing their frustrations and accusations on speculation, conjecture, hearsay, rumor, and any number of anecdotal concepts derived from the perception they developed from their narrow viewpoint of this situation.

In short, you don't know the answer. Neither do I. Neither does anyone else whose name isn't Yoshida Naoki.

[DarkRain]

But i do have to say this is just a shining example of how out of touch SE is sometimes . The RMT issue it took me 3 months of complaining about the same damn bot farming webs for SE to do anything. Then a day later there is a different bot in the same place as the old bot doing the same damn thing. You want to destroy the RMTs QUIT BUYING FREAKING GIL!!! and SE needs to be proactive in having people in game when a tell is made for RMT site ( everyone gets them every day ) the player who sent the tell is ban right there. That will take the RMT money out of the game . SE hit a lot of good marks on the game but also hit a lot of really bad ones. This housing is just one of them .

[Abriael]

Says who? You?

Looking at the threads opened on the topic, most people are quite evidently talking about company housing.

Where do you get this from? Stop pulling factoids out of thin air. It makes your arguments seem baseless.

As long as "Stop pulling factoids out of thin air" is the only way you have to counter my argument, it stands. Any long standing experience around MMORPGs will tell you exactly what I wrote. Housing is a high engagement feature because it allows players to *own* by themselves or through their guild something persistent in the world outside of their own persona. It's normally the only feature that allows that, and that makes it stand out a lot.

If housing wasn't such a big element for many, you think Square Enix would have made it into the most hyped factor of their first content patch?

That's because company housing is what's in this patch! If it was personal housing, do you think most people would still be talking about FC housing?

So you're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I get it.

That's now how it works. You can't make claims without backing them up with verifiable data and expect people to not question your claims. I'm telling you what I think, and that's what I think. You're telling people what you think and claiming it is fact. That is hearsay.

No. I'm telling people what I can see. And it seems it makes you mad because you have no way to counter it.

I don't think FC housing makes or breaks the game as much as you think it does.

Strawman argument. "High engagement feature" and "makes or breaks the game" are two very different concepts. Try again with an actual argument instead of a fallacy next time