First article about the House pricing.

[Keyln]

I'm afraid there's no erroneous conclusion here. People are annoyed. It's visible in the forums, in the game, on twitter, within the Japanese community, in the Japanese blogosphere and anywhere Final Fantasy XIV is discussed.

The only ones here trying to obscure the truth is you, and those that try (and fail) to defend the housing prices.

The argument here is that the prices are too high, and people can't afford it. The fact that people are expressing annoyance is not evidence of this.

Which only works if the people are actually in favor of that argument.

Mind you, we're talking about a product for which people pay a monthly fee, so satisfying the "Populus" should be Yoshida's primary goal.

This is abject nonsense. You really don't understand what fallacy of the numbers is.

The fact that an argument is popular does not make it true.

[Shinebox]

High engagement features should not be tied to a single playstyle, penalizing all others.

I didn't craft because it was fun. I crafted because I wanted to make gil. You had this option too.

[Abriael]

I didn't craft because it was fun. I crafted because I wanted to make gil. You had this option too.

So you're basically saying that it's ok for a game that requires a monthly fee to require a playstyle that many don't find fun in order to enjoy relevant and highly anticipating features.

I'm thankful for the fact you don't make games. With my luck I'd end up having to review them.

The argument here is that the prices are too high, and people can't afford it. The fact that people are expressing annoyance is not evidence of this.

The fact that most people are expressing annoyance is evidence that they find the prices too high, which in a game that requires a monthly fee, is equivalent to the fact that the prices are too high. People are not forced to play and pay, and will do so only as long as they are satisfied.

For someone that accuses others not to be familiar with concepts, you really seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of "customer satisfaction," which is at the very base of the survival of a pay to play MMORPG.

[Sunarie]

Abriael, as another mentioned, you don't have to defend your blog post. It is very evident from the community that a huge chunk (and I don't even care if it's over half, though I would put money on it being well over that) of players are unhappy with the pricing. Those defending it aren't likely to be swayed as they keep throwing up strawman arguments.

Anyone with a lot of MMO experience, and experience browsing forums and trends, knows that complaining with a patch is completely and utterly normal. However, when you have the number of threads we've seen here, and in the Japanese forum.. and then again in the media with even previous directors of very successful games tweeting articles showing the housing prices as bad... well.. That is typically a sign of a big problem in game.

Complaints with patches are completely normal, people complaining on the forums also completely normal. People complaining in the magnitude that they have been, not so normal, and I can't think of a time that the masses were so unified in being against something where that something did not turn out badly enough to make that MMO revert their policy.

[Keyln]

The fact that most people are expressing annoyance is evidence that they find the prices too high, which in a game that requires a monthly fee, is equivalent to the fact that the prices are too high. People are not forced to play and pay, and will do so only as long as they are satisfied.

For someone that accuses others not to be familiar with concepts, you really seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of "customer satisfaction," which is at the very base of the survival of a pay to play MMORPG.

Here's the problem. You're using really bad argumentation to support your assertion. Resorting to logical fallacies and anecdotal evidence is not the way to go.

Call me a "White Knight", "White Mage" "White Lighter" or a "White somethingoranother", I don't care. Coming up with an assertion and using bad argumentation to support it is something that should be called out.

Here's where I stand. We simply do not have enough information here. Yoshida knows how much gil is on each server, and he even knows how much each player has. He knows that players that played since 1.0 still have lots and lots of gil. He isn't blind to this at all. Housing as it stands right now was meant to be bought by FC's, meaning that people working together to gather enough gil to buy something that they all can enjoy.

Now, add in additional gil fountains that will be new in 2.1, and falling prices over time, and eventually, all FCs will be able to afford a house or plot of land (if they weren't limited in number). From what I figure, worst case scenario is that prices really ARE too high, and that would translate in plots not being bought up. This would cause Yoshida to drop the prices on the houses as necessary.

Yoshida is not doing this blind, and I think he knows what he's doing here.

[Shinebox]

So you're basically saying that it's ok for a game that requires a monthly fee to require a playstyle that many don't find fun in order to enjoy relevant and highly anticipating features.

I'm thankful for the fact you don't make games. With my luck I'd end up having to review them.

I'm thankful I don't make games too. You can't make everyone happy. I'm supporting their decision to make housing expensive to avoid land from selling out. We already have a ton of clones in the same armor, do we want everyone in the same house too? It's not bad design, it's just not for everyone and housing on my server is the most expensive of all the NA datacenters.

I will take their word for it on this one. They turned a pile of garbage into a successful MMO. You're a blogger/reviewer.

[GinTama]

typical, riding on the hate wagon. nothing new

[ZeroEx]

I'm just gonna give up on housing altogether.
It's hard enough trying to get all my crafting classes up to lvl50, with the amount of money you have to spend on materia.

Then they have overpriced housing! Gtfo Square Enix.
I'm sorry, but this game is supposed to be FUN!!!! You know FUN!!!!!!!
Not a bloody Grindfest!!!

This is why you have RTMs and Aggressive players. Cause those people don't play the game for FUN anymore.

[KHShadowrunner]

All I ask is that for every reference of Majority and Minority in posts be referred to, implied as, and understood to be 'Vocal'. As in, the Vocal Majority and Vocal Minority. As there is what.. over 600,000 people subscribed? I'm fairly confident majorities and minorities are simply not there, just the vocals.

Also, I personally find saying that 'everyone should have access to housing as it is (part of the game)/(a main feature)/(something promised)' give me the right as a 50 miner to say 'I deserve to see the story quests after bahamut and bahamuts head, cuz I pay and it's a main feature of the game (the story)'.

Let's see how today plays out. If you find that people are buying houses, it means people wanted to drop more dosh than others to get what they want in a game.

EDIT: and by dosh i mean in game currency. I'm not touching anything related to RMT or the likes)

[alhandra]

the best way for a small FC or group of people to make money is sell carry runs. seriously. i know to many its a distasteful practice but lets face it, some people just need to be carried, and if they will cough up gil to make that happen then all the better. a friend and i alone have managed to rake in just over a mil in just a couple of days of doing this. think outside the box people