Summoner got destroyed this patch

[Exstal]

Now that the boots issue has been fixed, this is my major gripe with the patch. I've always held that SMN has been top DPS by a fairly good margin. This could be proven out to a good extent with parser data combined with verifiable HP checks combined with theorycrafted damage math. I knew that when we lost Thunder, and did the calculations on how much that would impact our DPS, I wasn't worried about not being the top dog anymore. (at least on T5)

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/3e955cb922d/

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[Allyrion]

It's because there's an exceptional few who knew what they were doing, and they knew how strong they were. Did you know standing in melee and auto attacking will give you ~5-7 more DPS? I always stand in melee, always.

How many other summoners can you say do that?

Does casting not interrupt auto-attacks making auto-attacks almost never go off?
If not, that'd be very useful information. I'll test it myself when servers are back as well (on my BLM).

[T0rin]

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...m/3e955cb922d/

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http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...es_of_healing/
http://jp.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...a82f8b92ca6f12

They are reverting Allagan boots back to their original stats in about a week with a hotfix.

[Kevee]

Does casting not interrupt auto-attacks making auto-attacks almost never go off?

It doesn't reset the timer, only stop it. So every ~5 casts, more often with instant casts, you'll have an auto attack. My AA hits for 60-70, ~110 crits.

Also due to the server lag/netcode, auto attacks start queuing around 3/4ths of cast completion, and can also go off at that time.





Just for giggles, I did this awhile ago:

http://i.imgur.com/3EOJgbB.png

Our auto attack is 22 DPS if all we did is auto attack/cast instant spells.

I've hit my daily posting limit. Damn.

[T0rin]

It doesn't reset the timer, only stop it. So every ~5 casts, more often with instant casts, you'll have an auto attack. My AA hits for 60-70, ~110 crits.

Also due to the server lag/netcode, auto attacks start queuing around 3/4ths of cast completion, and can also go off at that time.

Plus there is something special about hitting a big dragon with a book.

[Zer0mr]

Does casting not interrupt auto-attacks making auto-attacks almost never go off?
If not, that'd be very useful information. I'll test it myself when servers are back as well (on my BLM).

Seriously if you don't believe Kevee.....

My blm auto attack - 73

My smn auto attack - 182

Check the str in the menu. Blm str is low while smn str is high.

Smn is a beast at smacking things with a book.

[Allyrion]

Seriously if you don't believe Kevee.....

It's because I believe him that I inquired about it? The testing statement has no relevance to trust.
Thanks for the str info. BLM will also suffer cause it has less instant casts (none in the standard rotation, in fact) as well as less mobility overall when in melee (or anywhere else).

I can definitely see how this works for SMNs now.

[Eulogee]

I agree with Kevee. SMN needed a nerf. I was late to getting into raiding so am under geared compared to my fellow raiders, yet consistently am top on DPS. SMN was not an easy class to play. That is what appealed to me. Now they have dumbed down the class. I am definatly not saying our DPS will no longer be viable for end game. It completely will. May not be the top anymore against people who out gear you, but you are still going to compete just fine.
I think it is a poor design to have the dot class have less dots then a healer (SCH has Bio Bio2 Miasma Aero). Just like I think it is a poor design the way the pets are. I am a summoner I want to see my summons do some sh... well you get the idea. Honestly I would love to see Enkidle look better, and have a much lower cast time (lower the DPS to compensate). It would just be cool.
I will be switching classes, not because of the nerf, because of my raids needs (WHM). But this nerf, and dumbing down makes me a little less sad about it.

[Eulogee]

Just for giggles, I did this awhile ago:

http://i.imgur.com/3EOJgbB.png

I'm OCD.... your desktop hurts my soul..... clean that up man...

[Z0dd]

at least they did 1 good thing in this patch...our new iL 90 book has shitload accuracy in it :P (well spell speed too..seems like they really like the stat)