Summoner got destroyed this patch

[Shamirah]

According to YoshiP SMN are still top DPS even with the removal of Thunder. They decided it was better to remove an additional skill rather than nerf Summoner DOTs.

Where did he say that ? Any source ^^' ?

@OmegaNovaios : yeah, but still.. 2,15 means it will be some day after the patch.

[Spellbinder]

According to YoshiP SMN are still top DPS even with the removal of Thunder. They decided it was better to remove an additional skill rather than nerf Summoner DOTs.

What bothers me about this statement is that we can't even see DoT damage in the battle log to accurately confirm or refute this claim.

[Zorzi]

According to YoshiP SMN are still top DPS even with the removal of Thunder. They decided it was better to remove an additional skill rather than nerf Summoner DOTs.

This bothers me a lot. I would rather just have our numbers toned down instead of dumbing down the job as a whole. Instead of managing more dots, we now get to spam more ruin? Or spam Blizz II in aoe? I like managing dots, that's why I play SMN.

[Kevee]

This bothers me a lot. I would rather just have our numbers toned down instead of dumbing down the job as a whole. Instead of managing more dots, we now get to spam more ruin? Or spam Blizz II in aoe? I like managing dots, that's why I play SMN.

This.

I've said it multiple times, but we could have used our numbers adjusted down.

Dumbing down the class is not how you should do it, though. I'd much rather have some of the potencies lowered, because the THM class is just as much a part of SMN as SMN is--After all, SMN is just an add-on to ACN.

[Seobit]

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...g_patch_notes/

[Seobit]

We don't. SE most definitely do. And I'm personally much more inclined to believing the devs who actually know how the game calculates damage and have ways to monitor these things than the masses fumbling around and running dysfunctional parsers.

[Spellbinder]

We don't. SE most definitely do. And I'm personally much more inclined to believing the devs who actually know how the game calculates damage and have ways to monitor these things than the masses fumbling around and running dysfunctional parsers.

I'm not saying they're wrong, but I find it unsettling to have no way of seeing it for myself. (i.e. DoTs are invisible in the battle log)

Let's not forget Yoshi-P's original claim that Warriors were perfectly fine, and that everyone was simply using them incorrectly. But lo and behold, they're getting heavily boosted because they weren't up to snuff.

[Shamirah]

I'm not saying they're wrong, but I find it unsettling to have no way of seeing it for myself. (i.e. DoTs are invisible in the battle log)

Let's not forget Yoshi-P's original claim that Warriors were perfectly fine, and that everyone was simply using them incorrectly. But lo and behold, they're getting heavily boosted because they weren't up to snuff.

Well, I always thought Warrior were good. They didn't have the powerful CDs that Paladin have but they had much better dps and aoe tanking ability.

[Seobit]

I'm not saying they're wrong, but I find it unsettling to have no way of seeing it for myself. (i.e. DoTs are invisible in the battle log)

Let's not forget Yoshi-P's original claim that Warriors were perfectly fine, and that everyone was simply using them incorrectly. But lo and behold, they're getting heavily boosted because they weren't up to snuff.

Warriors were perfectly fine, but the paladin toolset allowed them to deal with boss mechanics in ways the devs hadn't anticipated and instead of nerfing paladins they decided to give warriors more tools. That's not really the place to discuss this though.

It is unfortunate we can't see for ourselves the actual numbers, but considering that parsers had a tendency to underevaluate the damage of summoners by a fairly large margin, I'm not surprised to hear summoners were and are still considered top dps.

[Seobit]

Losing one dot when I already have 4 or 5 others really won't reduce the fun factor in any way for me. Maybe I'm weird.