Summoner got destroyed this patch

[RyuDragnier]

There's only one damage dealing magic class that isn't a Thaumaturge though, so that point seems kind of silly.

I made that point because I used Thunder on my WHM at the start of a battle before I have to start any serious healing, and only if I know the healing won't have to be spammed often, otherwise I wouldn't cast it. But that extra DPS did help whittle down some foes. On a slightly different note, that change to Blizzard II won't mean it'll see a use on my WHM for anything other than FATEs, because if I'm going to be that close to enemies, I'd rather be spamming Holy.

[Sinte]

I made that point because I used Thunder on my WHM at the start of a battle before I have to start any serious healing, and only if I know the healing won't have to be spammed often, otherwise I wouldn't cast it. But that extra DPS did help whittle down some foes. On a slightly different note, that change to Blizzard II won't mean it'll see a use on my WHM for anything other than FATEs, because if I'm going to be that close to enemies, I'd rather be spamming Holy.

Man all the raids collapsing because the white mage can't get the thunder up on the boss... I can see the panic spread across Eorzea. This was a slap in the face to summoners, and summoners only, when it comes to raids. Lets be real here.

[Illa]

Summoner's and all other classes aside from melee got nerfed to balance the changes in PvP. Does anyone really care about that aside from having fun in there? I mean, they nerfed abilities pretty hard, in a sense, to balance an aspect of the game that isn't even a core focus of the game. It's more like something fun to do on the side. It will never become added to MLG, so I ask you this, Square Enix: Why?

[Peptaru]

Man all the raids collapsing because the white mage can't get the thunder up on the boss... I can see the panic spread across Eorzea. This was a slap in the face to summoners, and summoners only, when it comes to raids. Lets be real here.

Is this to imply that raids (dungeons) will collapse because the summoner can't get thunder up? I think you overvalue the importance of your thunder. Yes you're losing some dps, but guess what! Crap is still gonna die even if you don't get to thunder it.

[Leiron]

You missed the sarcasm.

[Peptaru]

Oh no, it's there and the way it's phrased is obvious. The only way it can exist sarcastically is SMN thunder is so vital that it's needed in the way that he mocks whm for, but news flash... (not to you Leiron, but to some people) it isn't.

[Sylari]

Oh no, it's there and the way it's phrased is obvious. The only way it can exist sarcastically is SMN thunder is so vital that it's needed in the way that he mocks whm for, but news flash... (not to you Leiron, but to some people) it isn't.

The critical difference is that only one of those two classes is a damage dealer by design.

[Peptaru]

The critical difference is that only one of those two classes is a damage dealer by design.

And the critical similarity is that neither one losing thunder will cause a dungeon to be lost.

[HamHam]

Looking at the notes, I only see the loss of Thunder and the Virus change as the only nerfs Summoner got. Considering the Thunder change is a nerf to all magic classes other than Thaumaturge and Black Mage, you only specifically got a nerf to Virus.

Nope. The pet also. Obey now will work as steady. I'm not sure why there's a steady anymore anyways.

[horaiyo]

Gutted is a bit of a stretch, but I am annoyed that we got nerfed while their "upgrade" to bane turned out to be a bust. I'll need to see how the pet controls work out too.