Summoner got destroyed this patch

[Sylari]

Oh no, it's there and the way it's phrased is obvious. The only way it can exist sarcastically is SMN thunder is so vital that it's needed in the way that he mocks whm for, but news flash... (not to you Leiron, but to some people) it isn't.

The critical difference is that only one of those two classes is a damage dealer by design.

[Peptaru]

The critical difference is that only one of those two classes is a damage dealer by design.

And the critical similarity is that neither one losing thunder will cause a dungeon to be lost.

[horaiyo]

Gutted is a bit of a stretch, but I am annoyed that we got nerfed while their "upgrade" to bane turned out to be a bust. I'll need to see how the pet controls work out too.

[Edok]

the thing is if they remove thunder cross skill for SMN will not be complete since we cannot use blizzard 2 instead of thunder cause it will make us run out of mana. Therefore, they better get us a new class cross skill that useful than stupid blizzard 2 to replace with thunder that we lose.

[Roy_M]

Yeah it s a true shame to lose Thunder I hope they somehow make it up for that, it was nice even as aoe DMG: Shadow Flare, Bio2-Miasma-Bio-Bane-Thunder then Thunder the rest of the targets it s not as burst as a blm of course but it was worthy, the same applies to single target but instead of bane fester and so on. I agree with Priya it looks you are not playing the same game Blms are the AoE kings and SMNs are suppose to be better on single targets and they are but I m not sure if they will after this patch, I m looking foward to see more info comming because there is like nothing good about arcanist is like saying drop smn and become a sch to be a worthy class for our endgame I will still play smn because I love the job but it was a bit sad to have this kind of nerf.

[MBTL90]

Blizzard II isn't meant to replace thunder. It's meant to give all casters a spammable aoe for fates, and a bind for pvp.

[jars]

summoners already have that in tri-disaster. It sucks sure, but it's not like blizzard 2 is any better

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

Removing thunder and replacing it with that nerfed Blizzard 2 reduced Summoner's damage by 10-15% making us been more less wanted for raids and drains a lot of mp unlike Black Mages Summoners don't get mp restored since we don't have umbra ice.

Aether Flow and Energy Drain work great for MP.
#CastRuinMore

[xardus]

Aether Flow and Energy Drain work great for MP.
#CastRuinMore

yes,but if use ED u cant use fester wich has the double of dmg,so dps will drop by another 4\5%

[jisatsu4]

There is literally no reason to play SMN anymore, the only reason we were able to do comparable dps to BLM is because of the amount of dots we have going while being able to do our crappy ruin spam. Losing thunder is huge. Might as well just play BLM. Not to mention the virus nerf, which makes smn even more useless. Ever since the game came out I started with SMN and stuck with it but getting a straight dps nerf is ridiculous. Not to mention my BIS list got completely fucked. I have to change almost all of my gear now because of the allagan boots change.

Edit: more rant