Coil mode for main story

[Astarica]

Realistically speaking, if they actually made a story mode of Coil, people will play it and then realize the story in it totally sucks and complain about it, so they might as well not bother. Almost invariably the lore in a raid instance redefines how low you can set the bar for lore in a MMORPG, which is set pretty low to begin with. You really should just fire up Youtube and then you'll quickly realize you're not missing anything.

That said I don't fault people for believing in hope.

[Faedden]

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I'm not being antagonistic at all. I just find it hilarious/annoying that you guys want things handed to you. Yeah by asking for raid content to be nerfed so you can finish the story is asking for stuff to be handed to you. To finish the story you need to beat the content that's already SUPER easy. I came straight from Aion where there's level 30 dungeons with level 50 mobs and the shortest dungeon run is 45 minutes and that's skipping darn near everything.

We gave you the reasons why, you just don't want to accept them. Those of you who don't know, the way games work this is how it goes; you level up, learn new skills, progress, content gets harder, you get better. You said you just made it up to stone vigil, so you haven't even tried coil yet and you're ALREADY asking for an easy mode. Why? You keep going on about how you can't do "this" and "that" but you're clearing content just fine. So what you died at the end when the boss was nearly dead. In my book that's beating it. Even a good gamer die here and there. But you haven't even tried. You just want it handed to you.

I don't want to raid, I just want to clear raid content.

So why are you asking for RAID content to be nerfed? The story tied to coil could be only a raid story and if you want to see it you have to.....wait for it......raid! In other non hello kitty mmorpgs there are no red lines on the floor telling you were the AOE is going to be. Trust me I've played ALOT of em not just final fantasy. It'll say the boss is casting "super awesome skill" then you have less than a second and you get hit.

Oh and I used to be a role-player, only cared about the lore and story just like you guys. I still never asked for content to be nerfed, I just learned how to play.

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I don't enjoy the grind, I hate it BUT I understand that it's what needs to be done to continue playing the game and doing content that I want to do. If it's something you want to do work for it!

[TrystWildkey]

Because then people like you would have no motivation to participate in the end game content to see the story.

If the story is what is keeping you invested into the game, then it would be in SE's best interest to drag on that story as much as possible to prevent you from finishing it easily and quitting.

I have no motivation to play end game right now. I have no motivation to do end game grinding ever. It's not the part that I enjoy about MMO's. It's not what keeps me playing, and never will be. What keeps me playing are the quests, side quests, storylines, crafting especially. The crafting storylines didn't require hard-core grindiness and I enjoyed every single one of them. I still haven't completed the majority of the side quests already in the game. 2.1 will bring even more stuff to keep me happy. Daily beastmen quests, treasure maps, housing, crafting furniture for housing. End game is not necessary to keep me playing this game. Keeping the storyline about Bahamut and Louisoix out of reach behind content I may never be able to beat is more likely to cause me to stop playing. Besides, the majority of end gamers don't want me in their content anyway, which is becoming increasingly clear with every response.

I think this is a fundamental difference between our play styles that makes people misunderstand my motivations. Gear and end game content does not and will not keep me playing, ever. FFXI lost my subscription after more than 7 years when it created a skill and gear barrier against me experiencing the new content (Delve weapons anyone?). A fleshed out world with lots of *different* content keeps me playing. And yes, that includes the storyline.

EDIT: I do not want the existing content nerfed for everyone. I want an alternative. Like AvonRekaes said above, we get to fight Titan in story mode, and then there's hard mode for gear grinding. Is that bad? Is the story mode's 'nerfed' content disrupting the game for you?

Also, alright, I'll admit it, I want the Bahamut storyline handed to me. I've waited over a year to find out what happened after the End of an Era video. I've gone through the ridiculous story about the primals, whom I've already beaten once in 1.23. I've gone and fetched cheese from a dragon, I've re-done the class quests, I've leveled a whole new class/job, I've opened the armory system again, I've opened the new Arcanist class, I've learned how to craft things all over again with this new system, I've explored the reborn realm. I want the Bahamut storyline. Walling it off behind content I may not ever get to beat does not motivate me to keep playing.

[Lukahn]

Like I said, BC will become easier, that's a fact. We are all waiting on something. And crafting not being "grindy?" Dude, I'm leveling all my crafts to 50 and I feel like i'm in a grinding nightmare, haha.

[Sunarie]

So why are you asking for RAID content to be nerfed? The story tied to coil could be only a raid story and if you want to see it you have to.....wait for it......raid! In other non hello kitty mmorpgs there are no red lines on the floor telling you were the AOE is going to be. Trust me I've played ALOT of em not just final fantasy. It'll say the boss is casting "super awesome skill" then you have less than a second and you get hit.

Uhm.. I'm not asking for content to be nerfed thanks, in fact.. in other threads I've stated I'd be happy if the current dungeons never received nerfs. I'm saying I don't care if they make an entirely separate dungeon only for the story with either no gear, or gear that isn't anywhere near on par with what you get out of Coil. Two totally different things. One decreases the challenge of content for me, and one keeps my challenge the same while allowing people who don't like raiding, and instead play for immersion and story.. to see story stuff.

I raid just fine, my skill is just fine. Also, I've played Tera, Aion, WoW, Rift, SWtoR, Shadowbane, Ultima Online, and several several F2P MMOs.. the F2P ones I didn't get to end game on, but I certainly played end game for the others.. and guess what? You always get a warning. It's not always a red circle, but there is -always- a warning when a skill is dodgeable. Any of the newer subscription based MMOs (aside from Final Fantasy) also have an easier and a harder mode for the dungeon.

You're still not understanding two totally different playstyles. In the vast majority of MMOs, lore is not kept behind a raid wall.. and for the majority of people who follow the lore, they don't want to raid and don't find it fun. That isn't why they play the game, that isn't what keeps them playing, and if you're going to lock their content behind raid content they are more likely to just quit because it does not fit their play style. It almost sounds like you're bitter you had to change your playstyle to meet a goal in this game, or possibly another (IE suddenly you had to grind), and just want everyone else to have to follow suit. Doing end game just isn't fun for some people.. and that doesn't mean MMOs are not for them, it means that playstyle isn't.

Good MMOs offer content to both groups of players (and even cater to other players outside of these, as it's not black and white), and don't force one group into content they don't want. Imagine the complaining you'd see if lore was forced upon everyone through unskippable cutscenes (all cutscenes, not just a few being unskippable, though I've already seen lots of people complain about the few that are currently unskippable), where all quests had voice overs and you had to listen to the quest NPC say -everything- before you accepted the quest.

Besides, the majority of end gamers don't want me in their content anyway, which is becoming increasingly clear with every response.

If you were on my server.. you could totally come with my FC. I won't pretend we would be able to take you right away for every fight (we actually are overstocked on tanks).. but we're much more relaxed with learning curves than most raid environments are. Different servers though, and we'd have to have a puggable spot open if you didn't actually join the FC.. FC members get priority and all that jazz

[Astarica]

In RIFT they have basically personal version of major raids that had trivial rewards, so that it serves as solo content and also for the lore guys who really want to know what happened in some raid. I doubt SE have the time to do anything like that given how lacking this game is in even very fundamental aspects, but I wouldn't mind if they just have a solo instance that has no reward that has Papalymo tanking everything in turn 1-5 at the same time while Minfillia gets trapped in a Conflagaration and the player have 5 minutes to break her out of it, and doing that gets you credit to see what happens for clearing Coil.

[EvokerKeii]

It's not altogether surprising that HC endgamers don't want this to be an option for players other than themselves.
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The immediate fault I see with your argument is that you are setting up a strawman.
This isn't about hardcore vs casual.
This isn't us vs them.
Not every person who is for an easy mode is a casual.
Not every person against an easy mode is a hardcore.
Not every hardcore is an elitist.
Not every casual is a bad player.
Not every casual wants free handouts.
Not even a majority.

[EvokerKeii]

This is about putting in the work to get the reward.
Coil is casual friendly (except turn 5; full clear in an hour)
Coil is puggable (except turn 5)
Coil IS getting tuned down for more player access in a future patch.
What is the big problem here?
What I'm seeing is a handful of players who are upset because they have to work a little bit harder or wait a little bit longer to see an arguably optional side story.
It's not as if you're excluded forever. It's going to be made easier, just in time.

[KenzieLynch]

The immediate fault I see with your argument is that you are setting up a strawman.
This isn't about hardcore vs casual.
This isn't us vs them.
Not every person who is for an easy mode is a casual.
Not every person against an easy mode is a hardcore.
Not every hardcore is an elitist.
Not every casual is a bad player.
Not every casual wants free handouts.
Not even a majority.

It is impossible to debate something to do with community without generalising.

You're nitpicking doesn't negate my points at all, infact you didn't really say anything. Stop trying to act smart and try and put forth an actual opinion on the topic if you want to take part in the discussion.

[Faedden]

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No mmorpg I have ever played has given as much of a warning as this one does and I've played almost every one out there. I don't know where you get the idea that i'm bitter cause I had to change my play style lmao. I never HAD to change my play style, my play style is still the same. The difference is I work to get better to be able to complete content to see the story. You guys are like "I wan't that, but I don't want to work to get it" You think grinding is fun? It isn't, not even in the slightest, I hate it, specially on here since its a awful token system, but in order to do Coil and future content or whatever I want to do. I work towards it and get it done not just ask for a easy mode button. Raiding may not be fun for some people, but they wan't the story. So work for it the same as people that only want the gear. I hate crafting, like, really bad! But instead of asking for a crafting nerf button I get it done so I can repair and socket my own gear. Not to mention, it's optional. If the was part of a main story line then yeah I would agree, but a story mode raid? Nope. I hope it never happens.