Coil mode for main story

[Faedden]

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This isn't 1.0 or 1.23. This is 2.0 things have changed. I understand the old version was slower but this isn't that version anymore. Either get better or YouTube it. So what you're character isn't in there, if the story is that enticing where you attempted to play with this "fast" combat then another character in there shouldn't be a problem at all.

Beggars can't be choosers.

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She or he didn't specify and hand eye coordination does come into play with pressing buttons or clicking buttons as well. Not to mention you still get a warning and time to move out of the circles. Other games it just hits no warning. So it's still easy. The story and the content all goes hand in hand. If you can't beat the content you can't finish the story. Have none of you ever played games before? Lol Next time I get stuck on a part in a game I'm going to write the producer and tell them how my hand eye coordination is bad and that they need to make it easier so I can finish the story.

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So why are you doing it? Like I said not wanting to gear for it and then asking for it to be handed to you is absurd.

[TrystWildkey]

Thank you Sunarie, I appreciate the summary Although I don't know what all of it meant, I probably will in time. >_>;

Yeah, it can be very grindy. That's why I'm not all that interested in getting the gear quickly. I plan to take the multiple dungeon runs one at a time, on days when I have time for a run. I also plan to use the upcoming duty roulette to get tomestones. I figure it will do a couple of things: Give newer players a tank for the run (me), give me practice that *may* help my reaction time, and keep me interested with a variety of content.

[TrystWildkey]

This isn't 1.0 or 1.23. This is 2.0 things have changed. I understand the old version was slower but this isn't that version anymore. Either get better or YouTube it. So what you're character isn't in there, if the story is that enticing where you attempted to play with this "fast" combat then another character in there shouldn't be a problem at all.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Why so antagonistic? Also, you as well as many others have failed to provide a real reason for why a story mode (without rewards/achievements) would not work.

We've been told that it's just the way it is. We've been told that we shouldn't be handed anything (negated by the 'no rewards' we keep stating). We've been told to watch a crappy Youtube upload of it (with the main character most likely a Miquote). We've been told not to play the game. We've been told that we need to learn to play. We've been told that gear will let us pass through coil. We've been told to just wait until it's nerfed (which could be as early as 4 months, or as long as 12 or more).

But no one (unless I've missed the post) has given a real, concrete reason as to why a story mode without rewards should NOT be included in the game.

[Sunarie]

She or he didn't specify and hand eye coordination does come into play with pressing buttons or clicking buttons as well. Not to mention you still get a warning and time to move out of the circles. Other games it just hits no warning. So it's still easy. The story and the content all goes hand in hand. If you can't beat the content you can't finish the story. Have none of you ever played games before?

In other games, you also don't get hit by AOEs when you get out of the circle on time. In other games, they don't tie the story strictly to raid content. In other games, the world is filled with lore, and ways to unlock said lore without raiding. In other games there is always a warning to move. It may not be a red circle, but the warning is still there. In other games the reaction time needed is quicker in some cases and slower in others. In other games they do have a hard and an easy mode for dungeons. I could fire that "have you played other games" comment, right back at you. I would also ask if you have ever played with people that have a different mindset than you as far as what the game is for, and what goals are. Not everyone -wants- to raid.. and as I keep repeating, which you've failed to even address, the story is generally considered, and sought after, by the non-raid crowd. So why lock that behind a raid wall?

I am really failing to see the point you're trying to make here :/

As a side note, the guy you quoted saying he wanted gear to be handed to him.. you have it wrong. He flat out doesn't care about the gear..as in, doesn't want to get it. That is a playstyle for some people.. gear isn't a motivator, and they don't care to get it. MMOs are -not- just about the grind.. they certainly are for some people.. but not for everyone. Quit trying to force people to play your way, and have your goals.

[HaiHai]

But no one (unless I've missed the post) has given a real, concrete reason as to why a story mode without rewards should NOT be included in the game.

Because then people like you would have no motivation to participate in the end game content to see the story.

If you really care about the story so badly, then complete coil. If coil is currently to hard for you to complete, then wait until more content and gear options come out to make it easier for you.

If the story is what is keeping you invested into the game, then it would be in SE's best interest to drag on that story as much as possible to prevent you from finishing it easily and quitting.

[Lord_Zlatan]

Seriously man? SERIOUSLY? Did you play XI? That had the hardest most rediculous content for the main story, the fact that a fresh 50 with garbage gear can even do the main story is already easy enough. You ever play a game where when you beat it on the hardest difficulty you get some extra cutscenes at the end that sort of adds to the story? Well that is coil.

I for one enjoy that you have to actually put in some effort to save the world and actually earn the title of Hero.

agree wholeheartedly.

i haven't even read up on coil and when I do it, i will be fresh and have no idea what is going on... I want to earn what I see, I want to challenge myself and the fights/dungeon/story/loot are the reward for putting the time in etc etc.

also, props to the XI story mode mention, took me YEARS to finish. I finished ARR story in 2 months, not playing every day.

[KenzieLynch]

It's not altogether surprising that HC endgamers don't want this to be an option for players other than themselves.

The mentality that makes these players want to spitefully keep story content that they have no interest in from those that do is the same mentality that keeps them grinding for better gear and bragging rights week in and week out. I would actually probably enjoy the challenge and learning curve of endgame, but I would never be able to suffer the egotistical and obnoxious behaviour of the 80% of players that make up that side of the game.

[Lukahn]

I'll state this again so it is clear to everyone: If FFXIV was initially released as it is now, I would NOT have played it.

I think you keep missing the following point: 1.0 and 1.23 were perfect for me. SE roped me in to their story and I want to see the rest of it. That's why I am asking for an easy or story mode.

That is a very specific situation you are describing, and I think that you've got to realize that there aren't many people in your exact boat. SE isn't going to create content just for one or a few people. That being said, there are bound to be some people that will take you along and start wittling away end game content. Even if you are lacking in reflexes, repetition is a good teacher. Hell, I'd take you along.

I know that it's been stated several times that these dungeons will be made easier as new content is released. There is your easy mode right there. So you are in fact, getting exactly what you want. You've just got a wait a bit. I think everyone on the whole board has some feature they are waiting on, so in that, you are just like the rest of us

[CrowBlader]

lol when ever I see ppl say "go to youtube and watch" I always get the feeling they say so you can watch their videos and make them feel like bad asses when they aren't. XD

[AvonRekaes]

So why are you doing it? Like I said not wanting to gear for it and then asking for it to be handed to you is absurd.

So I can fight Titan as he appears in the story, and that's fine, and has no impact on people grinding HM Titan for relic weapons, but wanting to explore and experience the Coil of Bahamut for myself in the story is not fine, although a "story mode" would also have no impact on people grinding "real mode" Coil for awesomephatlewtz.

Also, who said anything about being handed to me? Did I not say, explicitly, that I don't mind a hard dungeon? I just mind being told "you cannot play this unless you go through pointless tedium for several weeks". What's absurd to you isn't absurd to me. Frankly that you enjoy the gear grind is absurd to me, but I recognize it is a valid gaming experience you enjoy. How bout a little mutual understanding?