Concerns about the PvP and why it might not succeed, though I want it to very much!

[Knoahl]

I think all the people complaining don't seem to understand you can still make your own set ups, just for PUG's through DF it will be balanced and you know what to expect when queueing solo, nothing ruined my day in other games when everyone FOTM comped, it's what ruins PvP in the long term and makes people cry for nerfs/buffs, as they blame classes for their inability to work or set up a remotely good team...

DF PvP sounds great, Pre-made PvP is where it's at if you want to make your own comps (and yes it is seperate from DF PvP so why complain?) , I wouldn't complain I think they are doing a good job for keeping PUG's a favor in that respect, keeping some balance, plus everyone who says tanks won't be any good in PvP, probably don't have a clue about PvP in general =__=;;

[Valen91]

I think all the people complaining don't seem to understand you can still make your own set ups, just for PUG's through DF it will be balanced and you know what to expect when queueing solo, nothing ruined my day in other games when everyone FOTM comped, it's what ruins PvP in the long term and makes people cry for nerfs/buffs, as they blame classes for their inability to work or set up a remotely good team...

As someone who enjoys the competitive side of pvp, I'm not overly concerned with the pug v pug games as it will have little to no bearing on what will make or break this games pvp. However, I do see certain issues arising (particularly in the early days) whereby potentially, premade teams of 3 are registered as random pugs and go on to farm pugs ad nauseam for the purpose of farming gear and getting an early advantage (and just carrying the final person).

As we know from any pvp forum, there will be a whole lot of QQ about teams of 3 being unfair for the poor solo casual player who gets his face stomped while just trying to enjoy some basic and "fair" games.
Now the vast majority of people who partake in pvp, they are not your hardcore competitive types and so issues such as this affects them and in turn issues SE has to deal with.
Particularly in a highly pve orientated game such as this, you are less likely to find competitive pvpers.

So I think its fair to think about these potential issues, even if at this stage it is mostly conjecture.
Those of us interested just have to wait till the 14th to hopefully hear a lot more details about how the system is going to work and then see how it all pans out when 2.1 hits.

[Sadana]

I just wish the term "Fresh Meat" could be replaced with "Opponents" at least (though I prefer team names too).

[RaijinkenXIII]

I just wish the term "Fresh Meat" could be replaced with "Opponents" at least (though I prefer team names too).

I think their names should have just been Paladin, White Mage, Bard, Black Mage, etc. I think that would clear up any complaints people are having...

[Sadana]

I think their names should have just been Paladin, White Mage, Bard, Black Mage, etc. I think that would clear up any complaints people are having...

I thought the Fresh Meat appellation was for the team as a whole, not individual members. My mistake. I agree that job names should be used instead.

[sharazisspecial]

How exactly do you get fame from pvp when everyone is named "fresh meat"?

Doesnt this just toss out a huge motivation to do pvp. Which is to be a well known pvper?

[jebali]

so I read these post and can not help but notice most of the responses are from people who clearly have never been in area style battles or pvp in general. I will explain why this system is not going to work out.
A duty finder pvp system with 4 mans only is not going to attract any pvp mmo players. Most like group battles of a dozen or more and open world style pvp, forcing a tank healer dps group is just stupid. Anyone who has a clue will send all 3 after the healer right off the bat. healer-dps-dps-tank is the kill order. so people can make premades but still only 4x4 and a duty finder wait of well I guess we will see what the wait will be 15 mins, a hour who knows. so now solo players will have even less motivation to play this game or resub cause we already know the game has a tank shortage issue. Oh and the well do you want to fight 4 sch sure go for it, anyone who did arena battles before knows the most effective combo of players will be found out rather fast.

[Myleus]

PvP pug will never be competitive, like all pve content, they are still think that this game have to be accessible for all and that's why they will fail in long-term. First time i see a mmo with a static setup for both. There is no question of rewarding the reputation to buy a simple furniture for the stupid housing.

[Kantide]

If anyone played PvP in beta they would know that having a tank is useful as provoke makes your opponent drop their target for x amount of time so you can only attack the tank. These kinds of strategic plays make PvP exciting.

[Divinemight]

so I read these post and can not help but notice most of the responses are from people who clearly have never been in area style battles or pvp in general.

Your criticism is irrevalent in this case. All arena style PvP, focus healer is always the priorty. There is no difference between tank/2DD/healer and 3DD/healer. Adding a tank into composition only making PvP to have more strategic element. Different than WoW arena, tank provoke is actully working. The PvP itself will no longer be a focus zerging feast.

WoW arena is a failure system, it is always a never ending Waltz between DPS complaing healers heal too much vs healers complains DPS doing too much damage. Adding a tank with provoke mechanism is likely to bring a equilbrium.