Why does no one complain about Summoners?

[AltaneenXIV]

"Why does no one complain about Summoners?"

Seems you're speaking in comparison to Bard.

The clear cut difference is utility, namely Silence. If Bard did not have Silence, it would not get invited so heavily. Then we'd have people only complaining about Bard as much as people complain about Smn, which is as you've noticed, never.

If your proof of summoners "out damaging" everyone else's class is from a parser, then your proof is invalid due to the DoT calculating glitches. Bard still out dps's a summoner.

Idk, when running AK over these months as Pld, I've noticed mobs melting much much faster with a well geared Smn over a well geared Bard.

Obviously this is also not proof, just personal experience, and that's all we can offer at this point.

[Fran636]

Squa aren't you the same guy who says the dark light ring is superior to the astral ring?

[Zer0mr]

If your proof of summoners "out damaging" everyone else's class is from a parser, then your proof is invalid due to the DoT calculating glitches. Bard still out dps's a summoner.

LOL! You can't be serious right now. BRD does the least DPS of the DPS jobs. Hell, even Warrior does more DPS than BRD does. Have you ever seen a REAL SMN in action? I don't mean those guys on titan that die 40 times just to try to get the relic. I mean somebody Who casts the right rotation. Festers. Aetherflow. Ruin. Control's their pet. You can't be serious.

[Bardo]

I know bards get a lot of hate for being better than melee but IMO from what I've seen in coil .............

You inadvertently answered your own question there.
Bards get a lot of hate because the vast majority of people aren't doing coil... and even if they are, they're stuck on Turn2 where groups tend to shy away from multiple melee due to Rot and Bards bring a LOT to the table.

If your frame of reference is iLvL 60-70 gear and you're mostly doing WP/AK/HMPrimals, then Bard actually DOES look a bit too strong.
Which is exactly where the majority of players are in progression, so it makes sense that there would be more complaints about Bard.

(surprising though that the devs actually decided to appease the complaints with a damage nerf when they know that Bard is WELL behind other DD's at iLvL90...)

Usually you shouldn't really require a revive in a good party -

The same could probably be said of Ballad.

[Illa]

Why are you so fixated on nerfing classes when it only increases the difficulty overall for raiding in general? And not in a good way either. Not to mention, you're right in the comparison between 2 DPS roles, but wrong in what the roles are actually designed to do. You failed to understand that the Bard Job is a Utility/DPS Role, whereas the Summoner is just a DPS Role. Summoners cannot offer the entire raid a buff that regenerates TP, MP, Movement Speed, or increased magical damage dealt. I'll agree with you to the end that Bard didn't need a nerf, but Summoner doesn't need one either. I see plenty of Bards pumping high DPS; I'll give you a tip that might improve your gameplay: Learn to play Bard.

[Pentacus]

Maybe he thinks Quelling Strikes is useless? I don't know..

he's probably talking about hawkeye, that ability that increases physical accuracy and DET.

[OrionInerghem]

I have relic SMN and BLM

SMN and BLM are opposites. DoT vs. Spike DMG.
For playability, BLM is vastly simpler to play than SMN. SMN has to manage so much crap. BLM has to manage MP and procs while moving.

After doing Hydra and having my pet die over and over no matter what hidden corner it was In was enough for me to realize Pet management is horrible and I'm BLM all the way.

SMN DMG is nice. But my 1.5k Fire 3, and over 1k fire crits are just to great for me to give up. Infinite MP is the best thing ever

[Akirakogami]

because it's okay of mage classes are op. that is the natural way of things.

stupid dragoons won't stop bitching untill BLM is the undisputed best dps class.

[Squa]

Squa aren't you the same guy who says the dark light ring is superior to the astral ring?

darklight ring has 3/3 stats relevant for a healer, the astral has 2/4 stats relevant. Both rings are lvl 70, but the Darklight ring costs 375 Philo tomes total (3.75 WP runs), while the Astral ring costs 2275 Philo tomes (22.7 WP runs), in addition to many other material costs.

The Astral Ring with 2 materia is superior to Darklight, with potential of up to 5 materia is distinctly better than Darklight, however getting a 5 materia Astral Ring with high lvl materia would costs possibly in the ballpark of 2-3 Million Gil+.

I think the answer is pretty clear, 2-3+ million in addition to 23 WP runs for a slightly higher stat ring, or simply 4 WP runs period for a solid ring.

[xardus]

nerf summoner? lol i just saw this post LOL
well im a good player with summoner and i have very good dps compared to other fc friends but...all other dps are a little superior (yes gear count)
in another point of view smn need a very very little buff,well not a buff but some fixes
yes we have pet and can do dmg ourself but...pet is part of our dmg,u shouldnt shout "NERF THAT CLASS NERF THAT CLASS" untill u played it at high level, yes have fester,but seriously need 9 seconds to cast all dots and can be done 3 time in a min ,obviously in short fight,on long fight u have to use sometime some atherflows to gain a little of mana,dots are not cheap as u think

u cant use only potency to compare classes,monk 180 potency dont deal same dmg of another pot 180 of another class,u have to watch the right dmg

biggest critical with fester i did is around 1150 (usually crit at 1000 with a normal dmg around 700\750) pet supershot has 5 min recast and do around 350 dmg and using both pet buffs add 80% EVERY 5 MIN LOOOOL
if u see they have to nerf smn (instead to fix) there are just some cases
1)u are a blm and u are not very good in play ur class so a smn has higher dmg
2)only smn u have seen are overequipped
3)u really dont know how smn works


edit : i forget to say,smn has a rotation wich includes about 13 skills to manage costantly,watching at dot counter ur aether charge and reset time of aetherflow,pets buff split buffs aoe dps and of course 4 normal dots (dont count miasma wich is usefull only in t4 coil) difference on blm mage wich use mostly the same 5\7 skill costantly