A plea to reconsider Inner Beast changes

[Enjin]

Warrior is the only class that is penalized for using abilities. It's ridiculous. Pacification? Loss of stacks? Hell IB is 9000000000x better just because of the change to defiance/wrath. Flat DR for 6 seconds still doesn't compare to Shield block and then shield block + rampart. Don't get me wrong, it's super nice to have a cooldown for almost every boss mechanic but what we really need is higher parry / evasion to compete with shield block. Hell throw in DRG parry buff. We've got evasion from monk, but that just marginally makes up for PLDs version of flash.

I mean ability bloat for sure -- I think I have something like 31 keybinds. My PLD doesn't have half so many.

The type of logic behind warrior mechanics still blows my mind -- "what you've got 3 combos you need to keep up? Here's some pacification on an ability you'll need to help maximize your heals / debuffs chain while keeping your threat up during your non-threat combo, good luck!"

[Giantbane]

Sorry, I had another post by him in mind when I read your 2nd sentence. He blatantly makes so many false statements, it's confusing which one is being de-bunked. I thought you were specifically talking about the Storms eye Screen Shot, as well as his recent post mentioning dealing damage as a Marauder in Warrior gear some how....

His point, albeit very subtle, was that the MRD was doing that with lesser gear (Garuda + DL) and a weaker attack (Storm's Eye = 270 pot) compared to what he uses (relic +1, some myth armor, STR pot) and a stronger attack (Inner Beast = 300 pot, unaffected by Defiance).

Not that it's a particularly good point. There are too many differences between the two examples (144% modifier vs. extra stats & potency) to really be something you can glean any info from. But I suppose it's better than just making up numbers.

He may also want to re-evaluate his use of STR pots. A STR pot is maybe (crits aren't guaranteed) going boost your Inner Beast by 5-700 (berserk + crit) and puts all your potions on a 5 min cooldown. Why would you choose that over an X-potion to heal for a guaranteed 520 hp (completely independent of everything) and only be subject to a 2 min cooldown timer?

The HP pot will be an even more obvious choice after 2.1.

[Phreak]

Sorry, I had another post by him in mind when I read your 2nd sentence. He blatantly makes so many false statements, it's confusing which one is being de-bunked. I thought you were specifically talking about the Storms eye Screen Shot, as well as his recent post mentioning dealing damage as a Marauder in Warrior gear some how....

I originally made the same quick pass over the first screen and assumed that is what he was talking about before editing my post which he quoted beforehand. It was him being sarcastic.

[Churchill]

Heavily mind the caveats I listed.

Except the math agrees with what Churchill is saying :/

I will also say that, I think the removal of shared Warrior/Dragoon gear was one of the bigger losses as far as "What does Warrior bring to the table". I don't know if this was a balance change so that Warrior didn't have the high Strength/no defensive stats build and was somehow more on par with a Paladin damage wise, or if it was entirely due to the enormous amount of tears we saw during beta from the other classes because Warrior/Marauder could lot "so much gear omg".

I personally feel it's the latter, because what we ended up with was a class that just didn't do what it needed to.

[Paikis]

Sorry, I had another post by him in mind when I read your 2nd sentence. He blatantly makes so many false statements, it's confusing which one is being de-bunked. I thought you were specifically talking about the Storms eye Screen Shot, as well as his recent post mentioning dealing damage as a Marauder in Warrior gear some how....

The storm's eye screenshot isn't me.

There is only one thing I have said in this thread which isn't 100% true and that is the 1.8-2k unbuffed hits. That should actually be 1.5-1.6k (heal) unbuffed*, 2k would be with Berserk. I remembered seeing 2k-ish a few times in BC and just went with it. Testing later revealed that I couldn't actually hit those numbers without Berserk. It has been interesting watching you all frothing at the mouth over it though.

In order to crit for 1184, you would need to hit for 784 using INner beast.
This is simply IMPOSSIBLE to do in full tank gear and Bravura +1.

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Your assertion btw.
Which means critting for 1183, which is not possible.
You average meaning at least a 600 hit minimum, which is also not possible unless it were a crit, which blows your earlier statement of a 4k heal to heal.

Edit: Also you never posted a picture of a 1183 INner beast hit. Ever.

Funny how so many things are IMPOSSIBRU right up until someone does it. It is not my fault YOU can't do it. Heck, I only have 2 pieces of myth and zero Allagan and I can do it. Getting the rest of my gear up to i90 would give me another 15-ish STR, I could race swap to get another 5 and with the extra gear giving me another 35ish VIT, I could comfortably swap to STR allocation and still have 8k+ hp.

I even posted a screenshot of doing it and told you exactly HOW it was done

*Unbuffed to me means in a group (STR buff) with food (HQ La Noscean Toast) and with Maim and Storm's Eye active. Storm's Eye is the only one of these abilities that you EVER have an excuse for not having active.

[Gamemako]

Fiddling with equipment stats, it seems that max STR on a WAR is 466 with 290 DTR after food. This is all ilvl90 gear. Should get +2% STR from party bonus as well, which is 475. Valk's formula predicts 1.393 damage per potency, less than what is needed. However, any discrepancy in Valk's heuristic could make it possible. Kind of academic, though. Maximum non-crit, non-buffed IB heal from Valk's formula would be 1672. That's your design limit. Realistically, you can't exceed 1500 without severely clipping your HP. You'd lose 50 STR -- 30 from bonus points, 20 from going to ilvl70 Gryphonskin with 9 STR per piece instead of 13. You'd also gain 75 VIT, or around 1400 eHP. Would put you at 487 VIT before party and food, which is about 7822 HP after Defiance. With party bonus and food, should be 8202 HP -- good enough. Anywho, that's 126.4773 damage per 100 potency, or about 1518 healed by your average IB with Maim and SE up. That is all ilvl90 armor and weapon with ilvl70 melded accessories.

[Giantbane]

Fiddling with equipment stats, it seems that max STR on a WAR is 466 with 290 DTR after food....

He likes to throw in the impractical use of STR potions, so you could add up to another 84STR with an HQ x-potion of STR if you felt like throwing your money away for next to nothing gained.

[Gamemako]

He likes to throw in the impractical use of STR potions, so you could add up to another 84STR with an HQ x-potion of STR if you felt like throwing your money away for next to nothing gained.

I understand how it was done; I just wanted to look at whether it was feasible without the use of the strength potion. The super-high crit-berserk ones are really a matter of curiosity rather than practicality.

[Giantbane]

I understand how it was done; I just wanted to look at whether it was feasible without the use of the strength potion. The super-high crit-berserk ones are really a matter of curiosity rather than practicality.

Fair enough

so.... back on topic

I think I'll take the new new changes (including the new IB) over what we had before. It's more reliable and it scales better to match new content.

[Leiron]

Funny how so many things are IMPOSSIBRU right up until someone does it.

You are making the assertion that you are doing so as a pure vit tank, which isn't remotely true at all.
I also recanted my initial remark but hey, reading posts is hard. Gotta jump on the first one you see.

It is not my fault YOU can't do it. Heck, I only have 2 pieces of myth and zero Allagan and I can do it. Getting the rest of my gear up to i90 would give me another 15-ish STR, I could race swap to get another 5 and with the extra gear giving me another 35ish VIT, I could comfortably swap to STR allocation and still have 8k+ hp.

Never said I can't do it, I simply said it wasn't possible to do regularly and have well over 8k hp as you asserted.
Heck you contradicted yourself in that screenshot when you declared how you could do it.

You can do it when you use strength based accessories and an HQ Strength pot and a berserk up yeah. Sure, go nuts.
Not as a pure fending tank though, and not with 1k+ crits unless you sacrifice a chunk of HP for it. Which you did with your accessories.

"I hit this hard regularly guys!"
but in your screen shot
"Yeah strength accessories/berserk up/str pot"

mmkay.