Battle Reform Blueprint

[Teknoman]

You cant really zurg rush something with auto attack though, especially if the enemies, the way stats work, and equipment has been changed. It shouldnt play anything like XI either, aside from auto attack, which is supposed to have a faster delay than XI no matter the weapon.

Im sure it'll be more tactical oriented in the end, since the lead designer is now the one from XI. Besides all that was listed...what else would you want as the basis for a new battle system and rebalanced environment (aside from adding more landmarks and other things to make the landscape look varied)?

Either way, i'm not sure how they're half-assing the base of the XIV revamp, unless they dont add raid dungeons, a few job specific equipment, change the certain weapon skill/attack animations they wanted to, or complete the readjustment of equipment,stats and enemies in the same patch.

All in all, its still not a collection of minor tweaks.

I guess no one cares about the spell animations I posted about haha....

oh well, the debate you guys have got going on is also quite interesting...

Which ones?

[kukurumei]

You cant really zurg rush something with auto attack though, especially if the enemies, the way stats work, and equipment has been changed. It shouldnt play anything like XI either, aside from auto attack, which is supposed to have a faster delay than XI no matter the weapon.

There is still a lot of oversight still in place that it's still a zerg rush even with the FF11-2 swing. We still have a stupidly powerful anything -> Anything BR, we still have a stupidly low curve of player con vs enemy con, we still have a stupidly easy faster HP/MP regen + the the cross classing skill on the fly system, and a host of other "easy win" options.

Zerging is still going to happen with auto attack, just probably easier on our fingers, and a tad more tactical, now that we are going back to the "skill stacking"-ness of FF11.

One of the main of main (perhaps overly punishing aspect) of FF11 was that levels/stats matter so freaking much vs enemy. If you weren't an A or A+ ranked in your skills you were bound to in trouble, solo or group. If you were even 1 level weaker then the enemy, it can turn climbing a hill, into a mountain. etc, etc, etc.

A ninja with A ranked dodge normal gear = dodge master. A warrior with massive dodge gear = cannon folder. That skill rank, just like level rank, etc was just way too steep of a curve.

FF11 lived on the heights of stat specialization FF14 has non of that, it's a reason we can zerg to our hearts content. And call simple over power maneuvers "tactics", due to how shallow we need to approach things to win.

There's going to be a lot more work done, hopefully not at such a snail pace. We're like 6month into a new team, and 4 months into a "definite new battle system".

[Teknoman]

There is still a lot of oversight still in place that it's still a zerg rush even with the FF11-2 swing. We still have a stupidly powerful anything -> Anything BR, we still have a stupidly low curve of player con vs enemy con, we still have a stupidly easy faster HP/MP regen + the the cross classing skill on the fly system, and a host of other "easy win" options.

Sure, but arent they supposed to change the effectiveness of skills/enemy stats/enemy type distributions, and by association change the difficulty of the game as a whole? The regen rate when in passive/rest mode might even be adjusted along with that for all we know. Same with classes being rebalanced/restricted in certain ways. What i'm saying is, what Yoshi-P and Matsui indicated, alot of those "easy win" scenarios are being totally changed.

[kukurumei]

Sure, but arent they supposed to change the effectiveness of skills/enemy stats/enemy type distributions, and by association change the difficulty of the game as a whole? The regen rate when in passive/rest mode might even be adjusted along with that for all we know. Same with classes being rebalanced/restricted in certain ways. What i'm saying is, what Yoshi-P and Matsui indicated, alot of those "easy win" scenarios are being totally changed.

I think that's being a little too optimistic at this point. Their track record haven't been good in this area.

After all this is the same people that gave us text menu quests, aggro icons, and level numbers, while also suggesting hate meters, etc.

I for one am on the "I'll see it when I see it" when it comes to thing related to "difficulty" and depth.