Please don't remove Invigorate from BRD ><

[Mergadeth]

Such a kneejerk reaction.

You are going to reroll because of this?

I will still play Bard regardless.

Why change? Just relearn and adapt.

Nah! I'll admit I am prone to initial overreaction. You got me there. Who knows, it might be great. It might open up more possibilities and utility. Not planning on re rolling as my inner intelligent person realizes this is a living game and will evolve and change overtime. So my advice to myself and every other bard....if they change something about your abilities and you still like the game, how about finding a way to do the best at what you have. Make your job awesome! Own your abilities and view it as just another challenege to overcome. If a woman with no hands can function with her feets as if she had hands and raise two kids....then WE bards can adapt to some class tweaks.

With that said, I still don't see the need for a change. Can't say for sure as we don't even know what it is yet. Here's to hoping it won't be noticable and BRDs can still be viable DPS.

[Mergadeth]

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

[Fantasy9]

and yeah...if I do nothing but hold groups back after the "adjustment" yeah I MIGHT consider switching classes. Is it just me or does no one but BRD's really like BRD's? I personally think every class has it's place. Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

The Problem they have is that it takes up a DPS slot that can be filled by a DPS class that does more dmg which is all of them, even my SMN does more dmg than my BRD does. Also, they problably feel that unless the group needs Mage's Ballad BRD isn't viable job to take with them unless they have no other choice.

[PArcher]

Why all the hate? I'm probably askign for trouble here but you know what they say about curiosity.

My experiences?

Tanks and SCH don't care, WHM only like them for Ballad, all the other DPS (melee especially) compete with them and are often pushed aside for them. Unless you're in a static group, being a melee or SMN it can be hard to find a group to do anything because BRD are seen as godly DPS and have Ballad (BLM too, outside of WP speed runs, which then its all "LF BRD + BLM for WP SR"). I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

Yes, I'm lucky to have people to run dungeons with now, and have WHM up (and soon WAR), but my time shouting was not fun. And there are tons of people out there that rely on PUGs to run dungeons.

No, I don't hate BRD just for being BRD, I mean, you really do need 1 for most 8-mans, but except for Turn 2 (for Silence) 2 BRD just isn't necessary; I'd rather have 2 melee (DRG), a BRD, and a SMN/BLM...heck, that's our 'normal' static (BLM/SMN depending on who wants to heal). However, I do dislike FoTM BRD who blame everyone else for their nerfs. Kinda like how I dislike a lot of PAL because they don't want to share tanking with WAR.

[NightWrath]

My experiences?

Tanks and SCH don't care, WHM only like them for Ballad, all the other DPS (melee especially) compete with them and are often pushed aside for them. Unless you're in a static group, being a melee or SMN it can be hard to find a group to do anything because BRD are seen as godly DPS and have Ballad (BLM too, outside of WP speed runs, which then its all "LF BRD + BLM for WP SR"). I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

Yes, I'm lucky to have people to run dungeons with now, and have WHM up (and soon WAR), but my time shouting was not fun. And there are tons of people out there that rely on PUGs to run dungeons.

Disagree, most ppl i know, actually almost all ppl i know dont like to have more them 1 meele because they prefer a second blm or smn, since they hit for same dmg and tend to receive less dmg from mecannics, i know a lot of player who would love to have a good monk on their static, but go find a monk that can silence and mantein a dps... 1 each 50...

what does a drg bring more then dps to the party that a blm doesn't? meele limit break, sure, dps, no, more dps to bards..., now blm can bring virus and eye for an eye... so the the fact is, meele dps only bring the limit break that can't be replace for a smn or blm

Bard don't need nerf, Mdps need some suport skill to use and make it more needed.

[Mergadeth]

Why can't we be friends ♫ Welp I know we always have DRG's or MNK's in party. Awesome LB ftw! My DPS pales in comparison to BLM and DRG tbh so we work best with a little bit of everything really.

i've got an awesome static group and FC so I hope whatever SE does, I can still help my raid party and members out like I do now. I'm not in this to be the best DPS or shove any other DPS out of the picture. I just want to help and actually be useful. I really do appreciate how difficult it is to play melee in this game. But not everyone will be happy and you have to roll with the punches I suppose.

[trinka]

My experiences?
I see 4-mans often shout for BRD + something else. 8-mans have more flexibility, but when groups want 2 BRD you have 2 slots for 4 classes (5 if they'll take a third BRD with them).

Groups want 2 bards for the silence. This is foolhardy in my opinion, but this patch won't change it unless there are changes to silence. Increasing the cooldown could cement their place as backup/emergency silence.

[NightWrath]

Groups want 2 bards for the silence. This is foolhardy in my opinion, but this patch won't change it unless there are changes to silence. Increasing the cooldown could cement their place as backup/emergency silence.

This only happens on groups in with pld or monk doesn't silence well, one of the statics in my fc has a pld who i've never seen miss a single silence, this is 1 less bard.

[PArcher]

snip

Why 2 DRG? No good MNK around. We have two really good DRG, and can't find any casters who are better and mesh well with us. Worse comes to worse, I go heal and one of them DPSs. And yes, melee overall needs to be buffed to further cement the risk vs reward mechanics; it is supposed to be addressed in 2.1.

[NightWrath]

Why 2 DRG? No good MNK around. We have two really good DRG, and can't find any casters who are better and mesh well with us. Worse comes to worse, I go heal and one of them DPSs. And yes, melee overall needs to be buffed to further cement the risk vs reward mechanics; it is supposed to be addressed in 2.1.

Didnt understand the snip, sorry

Good monk are rare, most give up from the difficult to do high dps and call the class trash.
Maybe be true caster cant make a dps like urs, i would chance a 2 drg for a caster with like -20dps to have more virus and eye for an eye, plus a better aoe, and that's the problem of the game.

If u see the fc that does all turn with one tank, u will see they don't use any meele dps, because they prefer to rotate for longer period of time dmg reductions.