So which is it Yoshi?

[Giantbane]

And you really don't think that there's something off when you run the easiest endgame content and it allows you to obtain the best gear?

I'm not debating whether it's good or not. Sephirah was claiming Yoshi was contradicting himself. I do not believe he was. You do coil for the challenge and to get end game gear faster. Casuals that aren't in coil still get access to end game gear via myth tokens, it's just going to take them a while to get a full set (let alone for multiple classes). That's the design as it exists.

Well and he's also got off on a tangent that end game gear doesn't even matter because you can clear coil in DF, but that's something else entirely.

EDIT: and i'm post capped. Too much discussion of new WAR abilities. Anyhow to reply below:

This would be true if Allagan gear was better than myth gear, but in many cases it is not. Therefore, no matter how hardcore you are, if you can cap 300 myth tomes you progress at the exact same rate as everyone else and this can easily be done in one of the easiest end-game dungeons, Wanderer's Palace.

Additionally, going into coil and killing bosses does not guarantee gear. You can go weeks without ever seeing an upgrade.

Hardcore players don't get myth gear any faster than casual players. As long as you cap 300 myth tomes per week, you get myth gear just as fast as the most hardcore players in the game. In regards to hardcore players getting Allagan gear, see above.

BiS is usually a mix between the two sets. So optimally you want some of each.

Even if you go weeks before seeing an upgrade, that doesn't seem like a problem. It takes 2-3 weeks before you can buy any piece of myth gear. And if you have access to both myth and allagan gear you're going to be getting a full set of ilvl 90 stuff faster than someone just capping myth by running WP 10x a week.

What about when BiS for a given class is an Allagan piece. Doesn't that mean the casual player running WP NEVER gets that *best* piece of gear? Does that make you feel better about the whole thing?