So which is it Yoshi?

[Sephirah]

That was apparently a mistake. They didn't test PLD in coil, they designed coil around 2x WAR tanks. I think you'll be hard pressed to clear coil with 2 WAR tanks while your etire raid wears DL.

They're not going to make the current content harder (either by nerfing PLD or buffing coil), but moving forward, expect a harder end game.

I highly doubt they didn't test pld in coils, they may have not tested 2 pld in coils assuming everyone would use a pld/war combo, but regardless, you can clear turns 1-4 in DL, pretty sure double WAR could do this too, I've just never tried it.

But even if what you said was correct, and they never tested PLD in coils, and it wasn't intended for groups in DL to clear turns 1-4, it is how it is now, and they have to make adjustments moving forward taking that into account, regardless of what their original intentions were.

So you can't brag up and down about your Allagan gear and wave your internet bozack around like a maniac. Big deal. The game's not all about you Junior Jenkinses. What's so wrong about people who have things going on in real life having the chance to get gear of the same item level on their terms and not have to go through the toxic politics of endgame groups?

There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a casual player.

I don't understand this mentality. Just because we want some incentive for end-game raiding does not mean we are saying casuals aren't allowed to play the game and enjoy it.

Casuals view end-game "hard-core" content as something they are excluded from due to their erratic schedules, well us "hard-core" players feel like we're being excluded from a challenging progression.

How would you feel if you worked every day, saved up your money, and then bought that nice new car you always wanted. Then someone walks up and complains about not having enough time to do that work and earn that money, so the dealer says "well.... ok, here you can have it anyway".

Edit: more stupid limits

They already said PLD is uninentionally making some of the coil fights too easy. It's not like the PLD move set is complicated enough that they missed some super secret PLD strat that's giving PLD the edge. The only explination is that they did most of their balancing with WAR tanks and sort of glossed over making sure it was equally as difficult as the PLD.

So, yea. I bet devs mained WAR and balanced the dungeon around that. Then they did it a few times a PLD to make sure it was doable and called it a day without serious balance testing between the two classes.

Again, however they balanced it is IRRELEVANT to what is in the game RIGHT NOW. And that, is a dungeon that can have turns 1-4 cleared in DL gear, WAR or PLD makes no difference, they're both do-able.

I think you're missing the point entirely about what we're talking about here. We aren't talking about how difficult a dungeon should be, or class balance. We're talking about people getting gear thats just as good, and in some cases better than binding coils, for running wanderer's palace.