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    Velhart's Avatar
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    1) With current cap limits, you can't gear several jobs at once. While i get the motivation for the caps for a given job/role (prevent powerleveling to the extreme), it is still extremely detrimental to the game that one can not gear several job at once. The whole armory system is supposed to allow you to switch from one job to another in different dungeons/raids if oyu desire/it is needed for your comp. Here, you can NOT, at least in coil, as you have all but your main job locked at 70 (or all of them are gimped compared to the people you play with and focus on a single job). Why have a armory system in the first place ?
    You don't have to use mythology tokens to gear other jobs. Having the best gear for every job end game is unbalanced and ill-thought and has more negative aspects than any positive. Using Darklight and crafted gear is more than capable of at least taking down Turn 1-4, which you can farm for other gear on if that is how your FC rolls. Just because the armory system gives the option of letting you play multiple class/job's doesn't mean the developers had the intent of having you play each one. Yoshida has been quite vocal on encouraging you to focus on a main job and using the armory system to further improve on it. You really only look at what is on the outside of the box with the armory system. The current system is fine.
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    Sayura Ava
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    You don't have to use mythology tokens to gear other jobs. Having the best gear for every job end game is unbalanced and ill-thought and has more negative aspects than any positive. Using Darklight and crafted gear is more than capable of at least taking down Turn 1-4, which you can farm for other gear on if that is how your FC rolls. Just because the armory system gives the option of letting you play multiple class/job's doesn't mean the developers had the intent of having you play each one. Yoshida has been quite vocal on encouraging you to focus on a main job and using the armory system to further improve on it. You really only look at what is on the outside of the box with the armory system. The current system is fine.
    If you don't play your alts, please tell me WTF we're supposed to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayura_ View Post
    If you don't play your alts, please tell me WTF we're supposed to do.
    Think you missed the point. It doesn't persuade you to not explore other jobs and gear them, but as you can see how it is set up, they do ultimately want you excel in a particular field. What is great about the armory system is you can switch around decide to start making a focus on another job. Like if I am DRG and decided I don't want to gear up a DPS anymore and rather focus on a tanking job instead, I have the option to do so. Sure I may set myself back a bit, but it is better than having to level a whole new alt all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Think you missed the point. It doesn't persuade you to not explore other jobs and gear them, but as you can see how it is set up, they do ultimately want you excel in a particular field. What is great about the armory system is you can switch around decide to start making a focus on another job. Like if I am DRG and decided I don't want to gear up a DPS anymore and rather focus on a tanking job instead, I have the option to do so. Sure I may set myself back a bit, but it is better than having to level a whole new alt all together.
    This is all a freacking joke. Go do turn 4 with all player in full 70 (no relic +1, no allagan, no mytho gear). Would be hilarious to see how you do it. Answer: you don't, because it is a gear check.

    Also, the hell i am not supposed to be able to play all my jobs equally ? Especially when contents get stale (let's face it: it is currently), having the ability to progress on alts is just the perfect thing to allow people not to get bored.
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    Athalia Hartfell
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    This is all a freacking joke. Go do turn 4 with all player in full 70 (no relic +1, no allagan, no mytho gear). Would be hilarious to see how you do it. Answer: you don't, because it is a gear check.

    Also, the hell i am not supposed to be able to play all my jobs equally ? Especially when contents get stale (let's face it: it is currently), having the ability to progress on alts is just the perfect thing to allow people not to get bored.
    Really? because I did it just fine.

    skill > gear and that's even the case for turn 5, but most players don't want to admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zezlar View Post
    Really? because I did it just fine.

    skill > gear and that's even the case for turn 5, but most players don't want to admit it.
    LOL , I'd like to see the video with your group downing turn 4 in DL and NQ relics. If you or another member didn't record it , I would imagine it never happened sorry :/
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casper View Post
    This is all a freacking joke. Go do turn 4 with all player in full 70 (no relic +1, no allagan, no mytho gear). Would be hilarious to see how you do it. Answer: you don't, because it is a gear check.

    Also, the hell i am not supposed to be able to play all my jobs equally ? Especially when contents get stale (let's face it: it is currently), having the ability to progress on alts is just the perfect thing to allow people not to get bored.
    We beat Turn 4 just fine with players who just have Darklight and base relic.

    Technically you can gear all jobs equally. Rather you find it a viable route or not is up to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zezlar View Post
    Really? because I did it just fine.

    skill > gear and that's even the case for turn 5, but most players don't want to admit it.
    Not necessarily, gear and skill is on a 1:1 ratio. On Turn 1-4 at least, it was built to be able to be taken down with ilvl70-80 gear.
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    Last edited by Velhart; 11-21-2013 at 03:17 AM.