Warrior "buff" in 2.1: not what we are expecting?

[Sephirah]

I'm really disappointed they decided to go the homogenization route. Holmgang is now Hallowed Ground, they will do more dmg, generate WAY more enmity, have a ridiculously high HP pool, and have on-par defense with paladin.

So Yoshi, why do you think anyone would want to pick a tank with 25% less hp, does less dmg, and has a harder time holding threat? Because that's the boat you're putting PLD in with these changes.

And just so everyone knows, the other tank I run coils with has WAR and has used it in there, could they have used a buff, sure, but these changes are just ridiculously OP.

[HunkyJimpjorps]

I'm really disappointed they decided to go the homogenization route. Holmgang is now Hallowed Ground, they will do more dmg, generate WAY more enmity, have a ridiculously high HP pool, and have on-par defense with paladin.

So Yoshi, why do you think anyone would want to pick a tank with 25% less hp, does less dmg, and has a harder time holding threat? Because that's the boat you're putting PLD in with these changes.

Because they can stun at will, shrug off more damage, require less babysitting, and despite the Holmgang change, still be able to go perfectly immune and put zero stress on the healers during emergencies.

As a healer, I'm enjoying that these changes take care of one of my biggest beefs with WARs as the person who's designated with keeping them upright.

[Ehayte]

Holmgang is now Hallowed Ground, they will do more dmg, generate WAY more enmity, have a ridiculously high HP pool, and have on-par defense with paladin.

lol. on-par defense? Try 20% less pretty much all the time. IB has to be timed, and saved for the right situations, its not like they get 6s of 20% reduction every 20s all the time.

Holmgang IS NOT HG. PLD HGs @ 10%hp, can sit there for 7s, get healed to full, then can take 6k dmg before dying. WAR Holmgangs @ 10% hp, and can sit there for MAYBE 3s before healers need to start spamming to get them up, if they don't, WAR dies .1s after Holmgang wears off.

[TirionCrey]

lol. on-par defense? Try 20% less pretty much all the time. IB has to be timed, and saved for the right situations, its not like they get 6s of 20% reduction every 20s all the time.

Saved for the right situations? Are you somehow new to WAR tanking? You gain 5 stacks of Wrath quick enough that you don't have to sit on it forever to "wait for the right time". It was a crucial timed skill while it was a self heal "only" cause you lost your Healing buff and had to make sure you actually use it when it's useful. Now you have +20% HP healed as a passive and could give a rats ass about "saving Wrath for that specific" moment. And in fact...even in situations where you want to time it, like Death Sentence etc. It's back up fast enough that you can still use it quite regularly w/o "sitting on Wrath for long". I would say it's safe to say considering current endgame bosses...you can easily use it every 30seconds w/o having to worry you might miss the "right time". A WAR could IB every single Death Sentence with these changes. Considering the larger HP pool, now a guaranteed 20% reduction on top plus Stoneskin/Adloquoium...I would be really surprised if a WAR would ever drop below 70% health on any Death Sentence.

[Ehayte]

Saved for the right situations? Are you somehow new to WAR tanking? . . .

Yup, everything you said is true. You can probably use IB every 30-40 seconds without sweating...certainly every 60s. That's my point, its not 20% for 6s every 20s = 6% extra mitigation. Its still going to be used as an active skill that you will have to sit on sometimes. If you DON'T save that for the right situations...I'm not sure...if you would be...very good.

I'm not saying its as severe as it was, just that you are still probably going to hold wrath for an extra few seconds between IBs. If you want to "guarantee" a 20% reduction to a big hit, you don't get that 20% reduction on the smaller hits.

[Maqaqa]

Its still going to be used as an active skill that you will have to sit on sometimes. If you DON'T save that for the right situations...I'm not sure...if you would be...very good.

Its too early to say, but i think i agree.
IB isnt going to be spammed as soon as its up, its going to be used to absorb BIG hits.