Scholar is the better healer...

[PSxpert2011]

who care really? both can do a good job. what matters is everyone survive at the end. All those post about who got the biggers balls and who does that or this better is simply childish.

What i see here is the objective of SCH vs WHM debate. Nothing childish about discussion and clarification. All I see is taking a survey of who is who is Eorzea.

This is how we all learn from the experience of others.

I really choose SMN instead of SCH so I can't comment on that job but I know that using Topaz I normally steal HATE from low-level tanks! XD
So SMNs make good healers + tanks too!

[sharazisspecial]

What i see here is the objective of SCH vs WHM debate. Nothing childish about discussion and clarification. All I see is taking a survey of who is who is Eorzea.

This is how we all learn from the experience of others.

Do people disagree that they should fix whms threat issue or make it as low as sch? shield effect trivilaise content way more then regen effects or cure2 does.

If sch manages to get reliable adloquium crits then sch could solo heal twintania with ease. Well not ease if they get dread stunned...But extra dps should drop that thing fast.

Why did i gear my whm first ... I really want to try solo heal twintania...

[Zaresin]

Do people disagree that they should fix whms threat issue or make it as low as sch? shield effect trivilaise content way more then regen effects or cure2 does.

If sch manages to get reliable adloquium crits then sch could solo heal twintania with ease. Well not ease if they get dread stunned...But extra dps should drop that thing fast.

If white mages spammed healing as much as a sch you would get hate out the ass. Your heals are bigger than ours and flow better. White mages are reactionary and so do burst healing. Sch are sustained and prevention healers and need higher threat thresholds. And to be honest all your bitching is going to do is get us nerfed which in the end hurts you guys just as much as us.

[Karti]

White Mages and Scholar are not really comparable in that way. They are compatible. Scholar has horrible aoe heals, yet excellent damage mitigation and mp management. While at the same time, White Mages hold the torch for incredible heals, especially with a substantial regen in the mix. Honestly, however, they are both adequate choices for running anything, assuming you try and include them both when multiple healers are in order. Even Steven!

With that being said, I think Scholars certainly have the upper hand with dps. As silly as that sounds, it's really nice to have a healer who can dps AND heal for those tedious tome runs! With virtually half of the kit of their Summoner counterpart at their disposal, Scholars are capable of quite a bit of aoe damage between the triple-dot Bane, Miasma II, and Shadow Flare. But it isn't THAT important! Healing comes first! And if you're blowing half your mp on dps in Coil, well....tsk tsk tsk.

If you are considering switching to Scholar, I would just manage both and use whichever is needed. Because they really are both important healers in their own way.

[sharazisspecial]

White Mages and Scholar are not really comparable in that way. They are compatible. Scholar has horrible aoe heals, yet excellent damage mitigation and mp management. While at the same time, White Mages hold the torch for incredible heals, especially with a substantial regen in the mix. Honestly, however, they are both adequate choices for running anything, assuming you try and include them both when multiple healers are in order. Even Steven!

With that being said, I think Scholars certainly have the upper hand with dps. As silly as .

May be lower then whm but sch can solo aoe heal every encounter in the game currently so i dont think that makes them a horrible aoe healer.

When SE release a fight that literally requires cure 3 then we can say sch is bad aoe healer.

On the previous page the sch who said i never did coil said that sch was a superior aoe healer in turn 2 .

If white mages spammed healing as much as a sch you would get hate out the ass. Your heals are bigger than ours and flow better. White mages are reactionary and so do burst healing. Sch are sustained and prevention healers and need higher threat thresholds. And to be honest all your bitching is going to do is get us nerfed which in the end hurts you guys just as much as us.

Oh really so Adloquium+Embrace+ lustrate within 2.5 seconds is not burst healing. its sustained....

The correct way to describe is to say
sch are burst/prevention tank healers with prevention aoe healing
Whm are sustained tank healers with burst and sustained aoe healing

However SE is making all fights hard by high dmg to tank. So sch is needed. They need to make bosses that do 2k dmg aoe every 2.8 seconds so that we already have to use a whm for cure3.

Anytime your pt takes Aoe damage, your sch is screwed.

Why do you ignore the point i made where sch can solo heal all the aoe dmg in the game currently. So how is sch 'screwed' if aoe dmg happens?
All bosses have a set pattern they repeat over and over so just pre cast succor and even soil.

[kukurumei]

Anytime eos dies, your sch goes poop...really...someone is going to die if your fairy is preoccupied for whatever reason. Anytime the sch runs out of aether flow stacks, you're in trouble. Anytime your pt takes Aoe damage, your sch is screwed. Anytime 2 sch's meet, you're screwed

Sch just can't heal, they patch. That's what a whm is for.

And sch actually have a lower dps then a whm. They can do more damage using instants like ruin2,bio in high movement, but a whm will beat them on pure stats. Sch int and mnd are too close together to make cleric stance nearly as good as a whm who has all the mnd turned into int.

Sch can only patchwork and think ahead, but even lustre is a cheap comparison to one whm cure bomb.

People who have whm, look to sch and think it's easy, sch looks to whm and think it's easy. it's just "grass is greener" syndrome.

Final thought is: 2xwhm will still work better then 2xsch. seriously sch's healing is so limited, you better hope the tank doesn't kill the fary by accident, that can lead to a near wipe if not reacted fast enough.

[Castillan]

They're just different, and let's leave it at that. I play as WHM, and my g/f as SCH.

DPS probably favors WHM a bit if you cross-class in Thunder, and get Thunder, Aero, and Aero II all working together, with Stone II. I've run dungeons (AK, WP) as a DPS primary with my WHM, with a 2nd healer taking care of healing duties, and the WHM is NOT lacking for DPS output and will pull aggro off equal-geared tanks who are careless, and can flat out pull aggro off lesser geared tanks.

My WHM DPS Rotation is: (Aero II = A2, Aero I = A, Thunder = T, Stone II = S2)

A2->T->A->S2->S2->A2->S2->S2->T->A->A2->S2*4 (and repeat sequence)

Keep that rotation up with Cleric Stance, and don't be surprised to see yourself pulling aggro quite regularly.


As for heals, Divine Seal is your friend. Throw up DS, heal tank to full, throw on Regen + StoneSkin II in places like AK/WP, flip your Cleric Stance, and go to DPS town for close to a full rotation before needing to flip CS again and pay attention to the tank, by which time DS will have recharged again (or close to it).

[kukurumei]

They're just different, and let's leave it at that. I play as WHM, and my g/f as SCH.

DPS probably favors WHM a bit if you cross-class in Thunder, and get Thunder, Aero, and Aero II all working together, with Stone II. I've run dungeons (AK, WP) as a DPS primary with my WHM, with a 2nd healer taking care of healing duties, and the WHM is NOT lacking for DPS output and will pull aggro off equal-geared tanks who are careless, and can flat out pull aggro off lesser geared tanks.

My WHM DPS Rotation is: (Aero II = A2, Aero I = A, Thunder = T, Stone II = S2)

A2->T->A->S2->S2->A2->S2->S2->T->A->A2->S2*4 (and repeat sequence)

Keep that rotation up with Cleric Stance, and don't be surprised to see yourself pulling aggro quite regularly.


As for heals, Divine Seal is your friend. Throw up DS, heal tank to full, throw on Regen + StoneSkin II in places like AK/WP, flip your Cleric Stance, and go to DPS town for close to a full rotation before needing to flip CS again and pay attention to the tank, by which time DS will have recharged again (or close to it).

a cleric stanced whm will have roughly 25% more int then a cleric stance sch, and while both potency are about equal, sch can't push it because they are dots, while a whm can spam on burst. Whm is by far the better damage dealer, anyone burning walls will tell you that.

[Taerra]

a cleric stanced whm will have roughly 25% more int then a cleric stance sch, and while both potency are about equal, sch can't push it because they are dots, while a whm can spam on burst. Whm is by far the better damage dealer, anyone burning walls will tell you that.

Also keep in mind that the stats boosts to the arcanist are native INT boosts traits (unless this was fixed ?) which does not benefit a cleric stanced SCH.

[Sinaloa]

Also keep in mind that the stats boosts to the arcanist are native INT boosts traits (unless this was fixed ?) which does not benefit a cleric stanced SCH.

Why should they fix it? Both classes are fine the way they are. Some things may not make much sence. But they are fine. This is like a discussion who´s hotter - Hale Berry or Marilyn Monroe.
Inb4 Hale since she´s alive.