Scholar is the better healer...

[Castillan]

They're just different, and let's leave it at that. I play as WHM, and my g/f as SCH.

DPS probably favors WHM a bit if you cross-class in Thunder, and get Thunder, Aero, and Aero II all working together, with Stone II. I've run dungeons (AK, WP) as a DPS primary with my WHM, with a 2nd healer taking care of healing duties, and the WHM is NOT lacking for DPS output and will pull aggro off equal-geared tanks who are careless, and can flat out pull aggro off lesser geared tanks.

My WHM DPS Rotation is: (Aero II = A2, Aero I = A, Thunder = T, Stone II = S2)

A2->T->A->S2->S2->A2->S2->S2->T->A->A2->S2*4 (and repeat sequence)

Keep that rotation up with Cleric Stance, and don't be surprised to see yourself pulling aggro quite regularly.


As for heals, Divine Seal is your friend. Throw up DS, heal tank to full, throw on Regen + StoneSkin II in places like AK/WP, flip your Cleric Stance, and go to DPS town for close to a full rotation before needing to flip CS again and pay attention to the tank, by which time DS will have recharged again (or close to it).

[kukurumei]

They're just different, and let's leave it at that. I play as WHM, and my g/f as SCH.

DPS probably favors WHM a bit if you cross-class in Thunder, and get Thunder, Aero, and Aero II all working together, with Stone II. I've run dungeons (AK, WP) as a DPS primary with my WHM, with a 2nd healer taking care of healing duties, and the WHM is NOT lacking for DPS output and will pull aggro off equal-geared tanks who are careless, and can flat out pull aggro off lesser geared tanks.

My WHM DPS Rotation is: (Aero II = A2, Aero I = A, Thunder = T, Stone II = S2)

A2->T->A->S2->S2->A2->S2->S2->T->A->A2->S2*4 (and repeat sequence)

Keep that rotation up with Cleric Stance, and don't be surprised to see yourself pulling aggro quite regularly.


As for heals, Divine Seal is your friend. Throw up DS, heal tank to full, throw on Regen + StoneSkin II in places like AK/WP, flip your Cleric Stance, and go to DPS town for close to a full rotation before needing to flip CS again and pay attention to the tank, by which time DS will have recharged again (or close to it).

a cleric stanced whm will have roughly 25% more int then a cleric stance sch, and while both potency are about equal, sch can't push it because they are dots, while a whm can spam on burst. Whm is by far the better damage dealer, anyone burning walls will tell you that.

[Derza]

a cleric stanced whm will have roughly 25% more int then a cleric stance sch, and while both potency are about equal, sch can't push it because they are dots, while a whm can spam on burst. Whm is by far the better damage dealer, anyone burning walls will tell you that.

How is 12 25% of 450? Healers Have around 450 mnd... WHMs get 12 more from traits ....So in cleric stance, from my math that is right around 2.6% more int, hardly 25%.

And sch gets 5 dots (Bio + Bio2 + miasma + shadow flare + aero )+ ruin II + Energy Drain spam... So for the short duration of the fight on demon wall a sch can do about 9 energy drains (if you have 3 pre-loaded before fight) So 5 dots + 9 global cd's of Energy Drain + ruin II (ruin II + energy drain is 230 potency per global) I think sch can do a fair job of holding their own damage wise.

Sch also have miasma II DoT but it is only 70 potency for a single target so not worth the global cd. All the other dots have a potency of 200+ per global CD (aero being the lowest at 200, and bio II being highest at 350)

all the WHM dots are 210 potency or less and stone II is only 170 potency - so how do you figure WHM has the edge on damage?.

[BrodyAlgana]

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[Silverharp]

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[BrodyAlgana]

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Good point.

[PennyDreadful]

Me as SCH along with the WHM in my FC are an unbeatable healing team. This is a cooperative game; who cares if one is "better" if both are better than the sum of their parts?

[Delvish]

Me as SCH along with the WHM in my FC are an unbeatable healing team. This is a cooperative game; who cares if one is "better" if both are better than the sum of their parts?

Bingo.

(I'm a SCH) In terms of Titan, stomps hit for ~700 without a shield (maybe less with more DEF, but you're a healer so lolcloth). With a 300 preshield Succor that gets knocked down to 400. Throw up another Succor and we are back up to full with another 300-400 shield. Except we're not, because Titan NEVER stomps once. 1400, 2100, 2800, 3500. Stuff adds up quick. This is why healers are supposed to preshield and precast on stomps, effectively surpassing the total HP lost during the stomps and extending the party's durability.

But now we have a problem. SCH is the "superior healer" (/airquotes) so the group decided to double up on SCHs to capitalize on this awesomeness. Succor has a shield making it effectively a 600 hp AoE cure right? Wrong, because the adloquium effect doesn't stack. So you get ONE 600hp cure and then a bajillion 300hp cures trying to bring your party back from that massive tumult. At that point you may as well switch to Physick+Embrace spam to bring up your party individually. THAT is an 800 HP cure, but no shield.

Even better? Your partner SCH just ate a stacked plume, and now it is just YOU. Wait... what comes after plumes? Bombs, landslide, more movement, no casting, Gaol, then Mountain Buster? Oshi, now you have to swiftcast Adlo+Lustrate the tank, then repeat after Titan flips the table again. Oh look at that. More stomps.

A little spiteful? Perhaps.

Now with WHM+SCH. Now you have a 600-700hp Medica, a Medica II with regen, AND that 300hp Succor with 300hp shield? Bam, 1300hp in one GCD. Were you awesome and precasted, landing Succor mid-Tumult? Second dose of Medica+Succor. 2600hp. A single medica + succor cast from a WHM+SCH is roughly equivalent to 4x Succors from a SCH pair. That second dose I mentioned? 8 Succors. Not MP efficient. Not sustainable. Not likely to survive.

TL,DR: I hate Titan, and WHM+SCH is the way to go. Every. Single. Time.

[NeonC]

Need them both, just too strong together. Though there is nothing I would trade for Lustrate, that spell alone cemented my decision on what healer to play.

[FinagleABagel]

Meh. I'm betting that with the right group of DPS'ers I can solo heal Titan as a scholar. Virus+SS knocks down the stomps to the low 500s. With swiftcast you can get full use of shield x2 (thus equal to Medica). Use the Virus rotation to regain mana by blowing Aether stacks.

Note of fairness: Doing so is easier for WHM. Also sheer raid recovery if stuck in gaol will be faster.