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  1. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by PenutButter View Post
    Fact: Regen > any little shield a scholar can throw out.
    A Regen will regenerate some tiny health that's gone.
    A SCH's shield will negate that damage entirely.

    They both seem on par to me. Like Sharaziss said, I think it's more comparable to the Fairy's regen... But anyone have any details on the fairy regen? xivdb.com doesn't really have any pet details, that I can find.
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  2. #132
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalvatE View Post
    They both seem on par to me. Like Sharaziss said, I think it's more comparable to the Fairy's regen... But anyone have any details on the fairy regen? xivdb.com doesn't really have any pet details, that I can find.
    What kind of details? Embrace is 300 potency roughly every 3 seconds if spammed as often as possible, Whispering Dawn is the group regeneration effect with 100 potency every 3 seconds, lasting 21 seconds (total 700 potency), assuming that's what you're asking for.

    Though keep in mind that the Faerie has somewhat lower stats than the Scholar itself, so their numbers will overall be lower if you attempt direct comparisons between Scholar and Faerie, using their potency numbers.
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    Last edited by Raminax; 12-04-2013 at 11:48 PM.

  3. #133
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    A: "Oh my gosh, fish is so good and tasty! Not some nasty chips!"
    B: "Oh my gawd, chips are really awesome! Not some shitty fish!"
    C: "Have you ever tried fish AND chips?"
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  4. #134
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    ^^^^^^^^ wut?
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  5. #135
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxaddo View Post
    ^^^^^^^^ wut?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
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  6. #136
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    yup turn 5 down.... WM blows balls
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    What kind of details? Embrace is 300 potency roughly every 3 seconds if spammed as often as possible, Whispering Dawn is the group regeneration effect with 100 potency every 3 seconds, lasting 21 seconds (total 700 potency), assuming that's what you're asking for.

    Though keep in mind that the Faerie has somewhat lower stats than the Scholar itself, so their numbers will overall be lower if you attempt direct comparisons between Scholar and Faerie, using their potency numbers.
    The Whispering Dawn one specifically.

    Someone on Reddit cleared it up though.

    I'm both a WHM and a SCH, so after a quick comparison here's what I found:

    Unbuffed Pet: ~200 per tick
    Unbuffed WHM: ~230 per tick
    Buffed Pet (Rouse-Only): ~280
    Buffed WHM (Seal Only): ~300


    The above has the WHM with about 11 less MND, but 30 more det. However, even dropping to garuda's book on SCH (drastic drop in mind, weapon damage and det, leaving them obviously behind WHM) the pet it still doing 180 unbuffed. This means that, both buffed and unbuffed, the WHM currently beats out Eos on per-tick healing, though not dramatically. The diff is a bit bigger in a 4-man since SCH gets no MND buff from team without a WHM present, but that diff wouldn't me more than a few points. Biggest diff is about 30% right now given remotely comparable gear, which is a bit smaller than you would expect if the main-and-mend trait was ignored (they total 40%). Likely, the trait is taken into account but the pet is given some flat debuff in the 25% range.

    The above means that post-patch will look as follows:

    Unbuffed Pet: ~200 per tick
    Unbuffed WHM: ~115 per tick
    Buffed Pet (Rouse Only): ~280
    Buffed WHM (Seal Only): ~150


    Clearly the per-tick benefit goes notably in Eos' favor post-patch, though the total number of ticks is clearly in the WHM's favor.

    The fact that Medica II can be cast whenever is probably balanced by being able to cast Whispering Dawn without defocusing tank and the fact it costs no MP.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noxaddo View Post
    Please can someone prove to me why I should stay WM?
    Play what you want to play, not the flavour of the month.
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashira View Post
    Play what you want to play, not the flavour of the month.
    Pretty much this. I'm not a fan of the WHM nerfs, but they aren't going to ruin everything about the class, just make it more difficult to keep up.
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