In regards to quitters

[SummonerSenah]

You can't kick AFK players out. A few members of my FC and I were doing Praetorium last night for story purposes and one of the tanks AFKed from the start. So the rest of us left rather than try to defeat all of the bosses in that dungeon with just one tank. And it's not like Praetorium is even a good dungeon for farming tomes. I think in a situation like that I'd rather take the 15 minute penalty than waste a lot more time only to fail at the end.

[RhazeCain]

Supposedly there will be a "vote to kick" option added at some point. So that people can remove a problem player rather than leave themselves. Won't fix all or even most situations, but a few. For example: You're a tank in a low traffic dungeon. 1 person in your party is really bad. You cannot hope to succeed while this person is in group. If you leave, the whole group is done because there won't be another tank with "Join in Progress" in a reasonable amount of time. Vote to kick would give possibility to keep the run going.

Also, the whole leaving thing is vast majority caused by Duty Finder. Easy to join, people you'll likely never meet again, thus easy to leave. Join a FC/LS group and leaving like that almost never happens.

[Grailer]

It's a level 50 dungeon with the purpose of gearing people up. People just starting it should be in high-40s and exactly-50 gear and it's more than doable at that level.
Frankly, if you're not running with crafted jewelry at least, you're not getting nearly as much value out of a run, even it takes maybe 5 minutes more.

If you have such stringent gear requirements you shouldn't be duty-findering in the first place.

dude im not talking about jewelry , Im talking about their entire armor set is crafted with no sockets filled . Also in the case I was talking about the player was using a relic . I can understand there is a lot of profit to be made in this situation , I made 20k from a battledance 3 materia when I broke down my ring after I upgraded .

[PArcher]

When you inspect healer and dps and they are wearing crap lvl 48-49 crafted gear no materia in slots for the purpose of lving it up and melding it , I insta quit . Sorry not 25 mins slugging through trash only to fail on wall because dps is not geared.

The 3rd group, inspect healer , he has fairy , and yep crafted gear again .. I say , I hate fairies and leave .

P.S ( got nothing against crafted gear but wearing lvl 48-49 gear in a lvl 50 dungeon and not even having sockets filled is just trolling )

I am so sorry that I (and possibly someone else grouped with me) am wearing tons of crafted gear, trying to get the right materia to meld into my Vanyas or to sell and buy the right ones; even though I plainly have a relic in my hands you'll still leave?

Honestly, I wonder how good a tank you are; unless you have really undergeared members (lv 49 crafts aren't really undergeared BTW) or just bad DPS (who can certainly be geared; gear isn't a sign of skill after all. Example, running AK with a tank with Titan weapon and DL, but had no idea how to control mob aggro) you should be fine with geared Heals (SCH esp) and Tank.

Also, a good SCH is an amazing asset to a party, especially in AK on the Wall. And in 8-man parties...a SCH is almost a must.

EDIT (with the post ^ ): Honestly, you should stop complaining and just stop using the DF. If you have such strict (and completely unnecessary) rules about who you'll run dungeons with, you'd better start PUG-ing it.

[Rowan_Moonkeeper]

I dunno Ive just wasted 45 mins because I had to quit . There is no gear score in this game , but having run AK over 100 times I have a good idea of what gear it takes to dps the wall .

When you inspect healer and dps and they are wearing crap lvl 48-49 crafted gear no materia in slots for the purpose of lving it up and melding it , I insta quit . Sorry not 25 mins slugging through trash only to fail on wall because dps is not geared.

Then I get another group and DPS start pulling everything they can see around the area before first boss , basically 2 groups plus the 2 giants , 1 dies pretty much insta gibbed , and I just leave before wipe . See tanks can pull too , pulled a dick move and quit.

The 3rd group, inspect healer , he has fairy , and yep crafted gear again .. I say , I hate fairies and leave .

Seriously? Thankfully, you sir are not on my server. This kind of stereo-typical, elitist attitude is nauseating.

[jmdatcs]

In regards to quitters

Thank you. Thank you very much. I also wanted to get away from this fail group, but didn't want to take the hit on the lockout. Thank you for taking one for the team.

[ChriskoOnAnotherLevel]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

If people want to quit your party at the drop of a hat, OH well let them leave.

The fact that you even care, shows that you rely too much on DF and have no social structure to fall back on in game.

Maybe you should work on making reliable and skilled friends, so you do not have this problem rather than enacting harsh punishment for people doing whatever they want inside a game.

[Kiayin]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

If people want to quit your party at the drop of a hat, OH well let them leave.

The fact that you even care, shows that you rely too much on DF and have no social structure to fall back on in game.

Maybe you should work on making reliable and skilled friends, so you do not have this problem rather than enacting harsh punishment for people doing whatever they want inside a game.

What about the other 7 or so people who waited for more than one hour to get in that dungeon? You've completely wasted their time.

Free will means that you're free to make your own decisions and act on them. It does not mean that you're free to do whatever you want and that there will be no consequences whatsoever. This is a mmorpg. The people you are incoveniencing are very real.

[Soukyuu]

I really think the 15min lock our isn't long enough for trolls.

It needs to get longer every time you do it over the Weekly reset.

I could sign this. There are times where you have a legit reason to leave, so just slapping a 24h ban is too much. This doesn't happen a lot though, so an increasing penalty over week is totally fine in my book.

[Tupsi]

Sadly OP as bad as the quitters maybe, you are many many times worse.

When you attempt to control peoples free will with punishment, you accomplish nothing.

I don't know mr. Chris Kyo, controlling people via punishment did wonders for keeping the world out of complete anarchy - Don't you ever see the news and witness the outraged when some people go unchecked for crimes they commit? Remember the whole zimmerman situation? Punishing people is the best way to control situations like this, because it really ends up wasting everyone's time in the long run.

People quit after 289387 wipes? Sure, you already likely spent 45 minutes not progressing. People that quit because someone is new? People drop out because no SMN or BLM or an LB? People that Troll the Queue? Unless you yourself do that there's honestly zero reason to be against punishing certain situations.