Quote Originally Posted by GilbertLapine View Post
But because that may be true sometimes we should just make it so players don't even get to try?

While I've had some really bad DF groups, I've also had some pretty rockin ones. Moreover, what about those partial parties that just can find a <fill in the blank> and need to fill the spot w/ a DF player?
How far have you done coil? You don't have a single achievement in coil yet you're lecturing people up to T5 on it's difficulty and what's possible. If you used a theoretical DF on coil you would be engaging in a massive waste of time and it's fair to tell people that as advice. Letting people shoot themselves in the foot with DF would be denying them progress more than just telling them they need to find a group.

And as for pre-mades I would never fill a spot with the DF on coil, and I am often outside my static in pug T5 groups. You really cannot carry coil and I'd count on most experienced people never using the DF, as they know if there is no quality control it is a waste of time.

Seriously, turn 4 easier than titan? That is complete nonsense.