Quote Originally Posted by Tiggy View Post
My experiences completely disagree with you. I find it considerably easier to hold hate against well geared DPS with Defiance on than without. Butcher's block alone does dmg x 5 for enmity so the only way that turning defiance off equates to the same amount of hate is if I'm doing over 1000 damage every single time I do a butcher's block. Which I don't because that's impossible. There is no mathematical way turning off Defiance adds enough damage to outdo the threat modifiers when they are x3 and x5. You'd have to make up all that threat through raw additional damage that simply 25% more damage can not give us.
False, tank stances do not x2 your enimty generation it's way lower than that.