Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[raikage]

Ok my only thing is this the fact that you need 491 skill speed to use twinsnakes and Truestrike in the same combo without the TS buff falling off is kind of crazy. I think GL should be 14-15 sec but if that don't happen no big deal at all I can keep GL either way.

[NoctisUmbra]

Ok my only thing is this the fact that you need 491 skill speed to use twinsnakes and Truestrike in the same combo without the TS buff falling off is kind of crazy. I think GL should be 14-15 sec but if that don't happen no big deal at all I can keep GL either way.

Yeah, and it's not worth it at all to stack that much skill speed at the cost of better stats like crit or det for True Strike. Twin Snakes buff being extended would perhaps make sense.

GL is perfectly fine as 12s though. Takes about 6 seconds to get through the 3 skills to refresh it, so having 2x the min time needed works rather nicely. It can't be too easy to maintain or else the potency of the buff would have to be nerfed for balance.

[raikage]

Yeah, and it's not worth it at all to stack that much skill speed at the cost of better stats like crit or det for True Strike. Twin Snakes buff being extended would perhaps make sense.

GL is perfectly fine as 12s though. Takes about 6 seconds to get through the 3 skills to refresh it, so having 2x the min time needed works rather nicely. It can't be too easy to maintain or else the potency of the buff would have to be nerfed for balance.

I agree if the boost the twinsnakes buff to move more time on it or even fist of fire to 10% that would be amazing for us.

[pandabearcat]

Monks do not need a damage boost.

For now, accept that true strike is a dps loss (even if you can fit in both true and twin), but is only a pretty significant TP efficiency gain.

You should always use True if you have TP problems, even if it causes twin to fall off for second twin.

EDIT: changed my tune cause math says I'm wrong =(

[NoctisUmbra]

Making GL drop 1 stack at a time and making shoulder tackle a 5 yalm min distance are the only adjustments monks need..

GL change? Nope. Making it drop 1 stack at a time would be a damage boost.

Shoulder Tackle change. Sure.

[EasymodeX]

For now, accept that true strike is a dps loss (even if you can fit in both true and twin), but is only a TINY TP gain.

Just remove the skill from your bars. Its only use is when you cannot flank an enemy, which should almost never happen but if it does, your damage is going to be poop anyway.

It is a tiny, tiny, TINY, please let me repeat that, TINY, absolutely miniscule, aka you will not notice it, ever, not unless the fight is an hour long, you might see it shave off 1 second off your kill time.

It is not worth, ANYTHING.

Whoa there. True Strike is (a) a meaningful TP efficiency gain (not huge, but not tiny), and (b) sort of sustainable if you dodge long attack cycles.

It's asinine to "chase" True Strike usage by stacking Skill Speed, but at the same time if you approach the fight with any sort of TP efficiency in mind, then it's a good idea.

[pandabearcat]

Whoa there. True Strike is (a) a meaningful TP efficiency gain (not huge, but not tiny), and (b) sort of sustainable if you dodge long attack cycles.

It's asinine to "chase" True Strike usage by stacking Skill Speed, but at the same time if you approach the fight with any sort of TP efficiency in mind, then it's a good idea.

Well you lose 10 less TP in a 2 rotation cycle, so you use 330 instead of 340 TP.

With a rough 2.0 sec GCD, you drain ~28.33 TP/s with Twin while with True you drain 27.5 TP/s.

IIRC monks have a roughly 23.33 TP/s gain, so it will take you 200 seconds (3 min 20 seconds) to TP out.

With True, it will take you ~240 seconds (4 min) to TP out. Its a pain either way, but you do gain 40 seconds if you are that TP strapped, with 100% uptime.

Shrug. It might be worth using regardless of GCD actually.

Assuming that twin only falls off for twin (and not any other thing like ticks or autoattack), Twin/Twin is 140*1.1*2/120 = 2.57 p/tp.

Twin/True is (140 + 140*1.025*1.1)/110 = 2.707 p/tp.

Yes I know 5% crit is not a 2.5% damage increase. However, even without any crit bonus Twin/True is a 2.67 p/tp combo, making it more efficient than Twin/Twin

So yea. Um, if you are running out of TP.

First, drop ID (if you were ever using it, ugh its bad).

Then drop FR (its slightly better than ID).

Then go twin/true.

So I retract my statement. True is good, and you should ALWAYS use it if you have TP problems.

[AegisXI]

They need to fix Perfect Balance... Happens a lot when I use PB it doesnt activate and its on cool down

[Allyrion]

First, drop ID (if you were ever using it, ugh its bad).

Then drop FR (its slightly better than ID).

In terms of rotational use, FR moderates itself simply by being a dot. It's efficiency may not be much less than ID, but when used in rotation it's not nearly as bad since you only use it every 18 seconds.
Including ID in your rotations burns your TP like nobody's business. Including Fracture isn't that significant (though I wouldn't recommend it on REALLY TP draining fights).

Also, I like the rotation with True so I'd like if they increased the time so I don't have to stack Skill Speed just to use it.
It should be more damage with it, more TP efficient and takes no effort to include it.

[VahnValbosce]

I crit around 450-650 snap punch depending on self buffs being on.

The amount of 200-300 hits, 300-400 crits I see happening all the time, PLUS my dots ticking for 120~ or so is pretty nuts.

MNK's with Gear are amazing DPS, especially for those who know their rotation.

And shoulder tackle being bad? Is the OP serious???...

Anyways, Greased Lightning needs fixing, make it last 15 seconds and make Twin Snakes buff last 15 seconds as well.