Monks very weak. Need rebalance

[CheshirePuss]

Even though i know monk is a dps machine, THIS is hilarious 300dps on Titan(!) lol especially with DL ^^ You know you should check your parser sometimes. Like once i had 40k to dummy and 20k of it was DoT dmg which obviously is totally wrong. According to parser DPS numbers you will never ever get 300dps on Titan, definitly not with DL gear. Your dps in parser will drop everytime he jumps. I would even go as far that u wont do 300 dps on any static fight lasting more than 2 minutes.

Should I count how many don't count the 2nd hit damage that's applied per hit done on an enemy with proper positioning? Even if you initially see 300 dps, you do more than 300. That second bonus hit even has a chance of critting as well.

[neoreturn]

Even though i know monk is a dps machine, THIS is hilarious 300dps on Titan(!) lol especially with DL ^^ You know you should check your parser sometimes. Like once i had 40k to dummy and 20k of it was DoT dmg which obviously is totally wrong. According to parser DPS numbers you will never ever get 300dps on Titan, definitly not with DL gear. Your dps in parser will drop everytime he jumps. I would even go as far that u wont do 300 dps on any static fight lasting more than 2 minutes.

I agree, He either is a lier or his parser is. He can't even get 300 DPS on dummy. A simple math to him, for 300 DPS with 2sec attack speed, his each hit need over 600. The auto attack dmg just barely compensate the time when Titan disappear. Most MNK in Titan just around 100 DPS, good monk over 150 or close to 200. Other class is about 150.

[warren-ragnarok]

honestly, people that complain about mnk being weak need to learn to play the class and use the useful cross skills.

i parsed me and a few friends that know how to play their classes on tonberry king in WP

me on mnk with relic +1 and mostly full dl (only missing 3 accessories) i parsed 242
smn with relic +1 and full dl using garuda-egi and counting both pet and smn dps, parsed 240
drg with relic +1 and full dl, parsed 233

i havent found anyone else good enough on other classes to parse yet, and the test is simple, the person getting parsed goes full out on the boss, doesnt bother with adds at all and done WITHOUT limit break

that being said, either those players suck, or mnk is good

people need to stop complaining about the intended design of the class, yes there are "some" balance issues, but nothing so bad that it makes it so one dps is completely worthless (not talking tanks, thats a whole different board)

[Kijimea]

honestly, people that complain about mnk being weak need to learn to play the class and use the useful cross skills.

i parsed me and a few friends that know how to play their classes on tonberry king in WP

me on mnk with relic +1 and mostly full dl (only missing 3 accessories) i parsed 242
smn with relic +1 and full dl using garuda-egi and counting both pet and smn dps, parsed 240
drg with relic +1 and full dl, parsed 233

i havent found anyone else good enough on other classes to parse yet, and the test is simple, the person getting parsed goes full out on the boss, doesnt bother with adds at all and done WITHOUT limit break

that being said, either those players suck, or mnk is good

people need to stop complaining about the intended design of the class, yes there are "some" balance issues, but nothing so bad that it makes it so one dps is completely worthless (not talking tanks, thats a whole different board)

Monk is fine as it is as u said, most monks just suck. And it doesnt matter if its WP, titan, ADS, twintania - monks dps is always very good even with dodging and losing GL3. Talking abt WP here are 2 results from me.

First, this is WP last boss with unmelded spiritbond equip (yes i know melding it gives more sb)

http://www7.pic-upload.de/10.11.13/shca8wd8f9c7.png

Second is WP last boss with my current gear, though unlucky due to not that much crits.

http://www7.pic-upload.de/10.11.13/uttlbqa5p1il.jpg

Yes you dnt need to move on that boss, still monks dps doesnt suck at all on fights like titan etc. Monks should stop complaining seriously.

[Onyxys]

Another idea about Shoulder TAckle- remove stun effect and make just a skill of quick moving to emeny with CD 10sec

[pandabearcat]

I wanted to remind you all about TP efficiency.

ToD is your most efficient single skill (if we count combos as one long "average" of TP). You should always use it.
Demo is obviously your most efficient finisher, and should always be used.

It is (generally) worth it to delay usage of Demo if it is going to fall off in <2-3 seconds if it means using a filler. This is typically going to be either FR or ID. Of course, don't do this if you've already fillered with ToD and are uneasy about possible disconnect from boss in the near future. GL is worth more than anything else.

I would never refresh Demo early. Demo is 210 with 1 clipped tick, and SP is 198 (with relative bonus from DK). This is, again, the 3 second rule. If you can filler without endangering stacks, do it and clip only at <1 second.

You should, always use True strike (if you have TP issues, which you almost always should) unless you know you will need to filler in ToD before the next twin (aka when ToD is not applied or has a duration <~8 seconds). True strike is a decent boost to TP efficiency and the loss in dps is almost negligible (and is nonexistent if you have a <2.0 sec gcd).

ID and FR are both extremely inefficient skills. FR is more efficient than ID by about 15%. In either case, I would only use them during BL or IR.

[Cynric]

If anything this thread has shown. Its who the bad monks are. Im shakin my head at the replies I see on this daily

[neoreturn]

If anything this thread has shown. Its who the bad monks are. Im shakin my head at the replies I see on this daily

you are very funny to say so.

[Cynric]

you are very funny to say so.

How funny it is that you are one of the people who would respond to that. Did I hit a nerve? Youre 1000 years to early to comment on my Monk skills.

[neoreturn]

How funny it is that you are one of the people who would respond to that. Did I hit a nerve? Youre 1000 years to early to comment on my Monk skills.

this post isn't about who is good or bad. You are not good monk if don't understand other job's strength. what I want to say is mnk isn't dps machine.