Nostalgia

[Reslin]

But who is that person to say that they are forgetting this? Perhaps the person they are talking to never felt that way. I never did in XI, certainly. In fact I've never felt that way in any game since I was a child. You are in effect being told 'your views aren't valid because you aren't remembering it properly'

Except nostalgia does exist. Even if you could play vanilla FF11 and still enjoy it 100% doesn't mean that nostalgia simply doesn't exist. The word exists for a reason even if you are the exception. I typically will tell someone they're being nostalgic and point out the faults. If the person denies those faults from existing they're being blinded by nostalgia. If they acknowledge those faults but claim that it gave the game more character and it's partly why they enjoyed the game then my comment about them being nostalgic isn't valid. Instead, I'd point out that their opinion isn't shared by the majority.

[ZephyrK]

There is always some caveat that destroyed a dear, dear game or community. It just gets tiresome. Some people can't be happy in the now, instead they pine for something that may or may not have existed, and others will call them out for it.

Why?

Because, quite frankly, nostalgia for the good old days is largely for the weak minded. You can control your current state of mind and you can choose to participate in things NOW that are every bit as fulfilling as what you used to love. You can be positive or negative. If you want to be depressed, go be depressed. Sheesh.

You can be here now, or you can be in FF11 circa 2006 laying dead in a zone doing a search for someone to come raise your party, and negotiating how much you are going to pay them to make the trip. Overly nostalgic people are almost always the Debbie Downers at any party.

[Tupsi]

because nostalgia have the problem to make everything look good when in reality they were or are bad. It's not a problem of "stop liking what i don't like"

Yep, a lot of us are nostalgic for gaming before DLC, I guess gaming before we had to buy everything in a game after an initial purchase was terrible.

[Aegis]

I typically will tell someone they're being nostalgic and point out the faults.

You couldn't simply point out the faults without making the assumption of nostalgia? You don't know if they are being nostalgic. It's incredibly patronising and rude.

[Reslin]

You couldn't simply point out the faults without making the assumption of nostalgia? You don't know if they are being nostalgic. It's incredibly patronising and rude.

Nostalgia is the most common cause of people's arguments. Take this for an example:

Every new generation the older generation talks about how much their time was better. Many will fight vehemently that it's not nostalgia. Their time was better. The youths have become more rebellious, people are nastier, the music isn't as good, and the mmo's in the past were better. People said this about the 00's, 90's, 80's, and so on. Each time the new generation saying that THEIR time was better. You're repeating the same old story here. You can continue to argue that FF11 is better than how mmo's are run today but even the devs believe the mmos of the now have been the result of "progress." It is nostalgia if you can't enjoy what's in the now because you're too stuck on how it was done in the past. Especially if you can't appreciate the quality of life achievements that have been made since then.

No, I'm not saying this is how you are. It's merely an example of how nostalgia is very relevant. The whole debate about how mmo's used to have a massive grind to level reminds me of the joking comments of "Back in my day we had to walk up snow covered hills for 8 miles." If that was true there's a reason we no longer have to do that now. (The if that was true is in response to the snowy hills.) I don't want to walk 8 miles to get somewhere in the snow nor do I want to spend several months killing one mob at a time in a full group with the knowledge that one moron can ruin hours of progress/time.

[Kazamoto]

To everyone who is beating the nostalgia horse, and saying everything ever about FFXI is bad and should be burned and abandoned.



I assume you were breathing in 2002.
I bet you are pretty nostalgic about that one time you were breathing back in 2004.
But this is 2013, stop breathing, its old fashioned and carries no value in todays world.

The rest of us will thank you for it.

You can continue to argue that FF11 is better than how mmo's are run today

I've said it a few times, NO ONE is making this argument!

We are saying there are FEATURES from FFXI that would be beneficial to FFXIV.

[busta]

FFXI was great. This game is good. I like this game. I want it to be it's own thing. But I'd leave this game in 2 seconds for a FFXI-2 that felt like 2003-2010 FFXI.

[Reslin]

To everyone who is beating the nostalgia horse, and saying everything ever about FFXI is bad and should be burned and abandoned.



I assume you were breathing in 2002.
I bet you are pretty nostalgic about that one time you were breathing back in 2004.
But this is 2013, stop breathing, its old fashioned and carries no value in todays world.

The rest of us will thank you for it.

This comment would only be valid if you found a more efficient method of survival that didn't require oxygen that makes lives easier and more fulfilling. In short. You're missing the point. A more realistic scenario would be..

There's cars which can get to places a lot quicker, are cheaper to maintain, and are more cost effective than a horse so stop living in the past and get a car. Oh wait. People do. Kind of like the mmo debate.. there's still people who prefer to ride horses to places as opposed to cars. Like the whole "old school mmo debate" it's not very popular.

[Aegis]

Nostalgia is the most common cause of people's arguments. Take this for an example:

Every new generation the older generation talks about how much their time was better. Many will fight vehemently that it's not nostalgia. Their time was better. The youths have become more rebellious, people are nastier, the music isn't as good, and the mmo's in the past were better. People said this about the 00's, 90's, 80's, and so on. Each time the new generation saying that THEIR time was better. You're repeating the same old story here. You can continue to argue that FF11 is better than how mmo's are run today but even the devs believe the mmos of the now have been the result of "progress." It is nostalgia if you can't enjoy what's in the now because you're too stuck on how it was done in the past. Especially if you can't appreciate the quality of life achievements that have been made since then.

No, I'm not saying this is how you are. It's merely an example of how nostalgia is very relevant. The whole debate about how mmo's used to have a massive grind to level reminds me of the joking comments of "Back in my day we had to walk up snow covered hills for 8 miles." If that was true there's a reason we no longer have to do that now.

Indeed: Socrates:
“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

However, if someone says they preferred Dexter season 7 to Season 8 and you disagree do you automatically follow up with "No you don't, you're being nostalgic. Season 7 had so-and-so faults?"

Just because someone disagrees with you, does not make them nostalgic.

[Kazamoto]

This comment would only be valid if you found a more efficient method of survival that didn't require oxygen that makes lives easier and more fulfilling. In short. You're missing the point. A more realistic scenario would be..

Lay down on table, I take lungs now, gills come in next week.