Nostalgia

[Hyrist]

Perhaps in that person's opinion they weren't flawed or bad? Or perhaps they have taken the flaws into account and still reached the conclusion that it was great. Just because you don't agree with it, or the community in general doesn't agree with it doesn't make that person's opinion any less reliable. Also, you seem to be attributing those who have fond memories of something as being absolutists that may not be deserved. Saying "The community in XI was the best I ever experienced" does not mean that person believes each and every member of that community was great and there were no idiots.

Never said that, but I did say they need to take the time to view their options objectively and realize if and when they are in the minority. Defiantly declaring your opinion in a manner of which that lists it as sacrosanct, then hiding behind the all impenetrable veil of 'it's my opinion!' does not prevent it from being inherently rude, or unpopular to the silent majority.

Recognizing that position from the onset opens the door to discussion as to the inspiration and the ideas being malleable into a context that can be beneficiary for as many as possible. Instead of saying "Stop hating what I like!" or "Stop liking what I don't!"

The conversation should not go "This needs more FFXI! Less WoWZ!" The conversation should go "Hey, I like this mechanic, but I remember a lot of people not liking how it was implemented or what happened to it, how do we make it fit in FFXIV and how do we make it fun for more people?"

Kazamoto above makes a good example of what he liked and would like to see adapted. The conversation could go on from there.

Also...

Blue mage (x8)
...and Beastmaster.

I love Blue Mage, but how would we make that job work within the context of our current battle system?

[Aegis]

Never said that, but I did say they need to take the time to view their options objectively and realize if and when they are in the minority. Defiantly declaring your opinion in a manner of which that lists it as sacrosanct, then hiding behind the all impenetrable veil of 'it's my opinion!' does not prevent it from being inherently rude, or unpopular to the silent majority.

Then by all means call them on it being rude, or unpopular (though you shouldn't refraid from giving your opinion just because you feel others won't agree with it) but don't say it's just nostalgia. I have no problem with someone criticizing my thoughts and opinions. The problem I have is with people assuming that I don't actually feel that way, it's just nostalgia clouding my judgment. It's very patronising. Also, I would be very cautious of claiming anything one way or another for a 'silent majority'.

Also...



I love Blue Mage, but how would we make that job work within the context of our current battle system?

Without derailing the thread too much ^^; I would say something along the lines of how Arcanist/Summoner/Scholar has been implemented. Where those jobs have three summon abilities that vary by which class/job you are on, BLU could have some Blue Magic abilities that vary by what you have absorbed.

Say for example you have the ability 'Lancet' (From FFX, I believe) and when you use it, your ability 'Blue Magic 1' will then correlate to an ability from the mob you are fighting. Use Lancet on another mob and it will fill your ability 'Blue Magic 2'. Once all your Blue Magic abilities are correlated with mob abilities, you would need to 'forget' an ability to free that slot up if you want to use a different spell.

Enemy abilities could have certain levels or tiers meaning they can only be set in one particular Blue Magic slot.

eg:

Blue Mage base class (Tamer maybe, or similar) ability list:
1: Whip Crack (yeah, my blue mages have whips). Single Target ability.
3: Lancet ( x% chance to absorb enemy ability for use with Blue Magic)
3: Blue Magic 1 (Can set Pollen, Bomb Toss, 100 Needles .... ). Combos with Whip Crack for enhanced potency
3: Amnesia 1(removes magic set Blue Magic 1)
5: Azure Affinity (Increases potency of next Blue Magic)
8: Eye Snap (Low damage ability with Blind)
10: Blue Magic 2 (Can set White Wind, Impish incantations, double Strike ....) Combos with Blue Magic 1
10: Amnesia 2
15: Azure Veil (Makes next Blue Magic AOE)
25: Blue Magic 3: (Can set 1000 Needles, Explosion, some kind of knock back move, Bad Breath)
25: Amnesia 3

etc etc, you could have traits to increase learning chance, stuff like that.

Nb the above is just something I came up with off the top of my head as an example, so don't criticise that it sucks because, well, I know.

[Velhart]

I love Blue Mage, but how would we make that job work within the context of our current battle system?

That is a very good question, it is very hard to implement a job like this based on how the game's system works. Blue Mage would obviously be a job of a certain new class, meaning it would only get five additional abilities added to the overall class. The fun behind Blue Mage is to obtain all the spells from enemies. Am I saying BLU wouldn't work? No, I am sure there is some clever approach you can take, but I am definitely not seeing it. You can't have one job using a giant table of abilities when everyone else only gets five. If a BLU does some how make it into the game, don't expect it to work like a classic BLU.

On a general note to this thread, if you have a nostalgic idea going on, its all good, just better bring in a good argument that it would in fact improve the game without hindering it's core aspect, which I see people do a lot. If I am nostalgic of anything I want to see in this game, it is jobs like Samurai, Dark Knight, and Corsair. Of course with their own unique FFXIV approach to them.