Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Sterob]

Don't even compare Mana song to the "support" of other classes. Nobody buys this BS argument of yours.

By all means run a group without a single bard and get back to me.

the reason why there is no coil without bard is because in this game no silence = instant wipe. Change that mechanic and we will see. Also the only place where my healer need mana is at the last phase of turn 4. So your "you cant run without song" is like "you cant down titan heart without limitbreak"

[Arkh]

the reason why there is no coil without bard is because in this game no silence = instant wipe. Change that mechanic and we will see. Also the only place where my healer need mana is at the last phase of turn 4. So your "you cant run without song" is like "you cant down titan heart without limitbreak"

Last part of turn 4 requires BRD ballad untill you have te gear to do it without it. We are doing it without it every time now

[Woodberry]

Don't even compare Mana song to the "support" of other classes. Nobody buys this BS argument of yours.

By all means run a group without a single bard and get back to me.

It is good for learning content just as a SMN rez is or apparently as good as a BLM sleep is now in turn 5. But yeah, lets just claim bards support is the only support.

[Celesian]

What I would like to see happen to BRD is not to decrease there damage at all but make there songs more temporary. Increase the MP drain on songs so they don't last as long. The song still stays the same but doesn't decrease the BRD's damage for as long as it does now and also makes content a bit more difficult due to not having a long MP regen. I would really like to see BRD get a HP regen song to make them a true support. HP regen would help out a ton for fights like Titan HM t4 and t5 of coil. It would still have to reduce your damage by 20% to compensate.

[Woodberry]

What I would like to see happen to BRD is not to decrease there damage at all but make there songs more temporary. Increase the MP drain on songs so they don't last as long. The song still stays the same but doesn't decrease the BRD's damage for as long as it does now and also makes content a bit more difficult due to not having a long MP regen. I would really like to see BRD get a HP regen song to make them a true support. HP regen would help out a ton for fights like Titan HM t4 and t5 of coil. It would still have to reduce your damage by 20% to compensate.

They could also change other classes support to be similar to BRD. For instance, make MNK mantra exactly like mana song with the mana drain and damage debuff.

[Celesian]

They could also change other classes support to be similar to BRD. For instance, make MNK mantra exactly like mana song with the mana drain and damage debuff.

MNK is not labeled as a support class so that makes no sense. Mantra when used as a MNK is actually quite good. but used as a cross class skill it is worthless. BRD damage is not high enough to warrant a nerf IMO. The problem is the content not the class. You make content require 2 silences but make MNK have to be in certain stance to be able to silence therefor making it possible but very sub optimal to have the MNK handle the silence. Easier solution is to drop the MNK and bring another BRD problem solved. All that needs to change is make things that need to be silenced a 35sec CD so one BRD can get all of them and if the BRD dies well now your going to get tore up, so bring a good BRD with you.

[Woodberry]

MNK is not labeled as a support class so that makes no sense.

Bard is not listed as a support class either. They are both listed as DPS. So........

[Lunavi]

Before saying Bards are not OP do forget to grasp that there are 5, not 3 DPS classes. The classes are: Monk, Dragoon, Summoner, Black Mage and Bard (Not Bards, Casters and Melees. Only the fact that Bards has 1-2 guaranteed spots in 8man premades with 4 DPS's makes them OP. No other class is in such high demand as Bards. That is what I see as OP in an PvE focused MMORPG where the only competition is to get spots in raids.

This is not the fault of Bard's DPS or anything else, just that they fullfill a role no other class compete with them about. It is as simple as that. The best way to "nerf" bards would be by releasing another DPS/support hybrid or a real support class.

Correct me if I am wrong.

[KuraiShashu]

Before saying Bards are not OP do forget to grasp that there are 5, not 3 DPS classes. The classes are: Monk, Dragoon, Summoner, Black Mage and Bard (Not Bards, Casters and Melees. Only the fact that Bards has 1-2 guaranteed spots in 8man premades with 4 DPS's makes them OP. No other class is in such high demand as Bards. That is what I see as OP in an PvE focused MMORPG where the only competition is to get spots in raids.

This is not the fault of Bard's DPS or anything else, just that they fullfill a role no other class compete with them about. It is as simple as that. The best way to "nerf" bards would be by releasing another DPS/support hybrid or a real support class.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Or give other current classes a proper off the gcd silence.

[Nooblet]

Hmm I'm a noob