Bard Nerfs Offically Confirmed

[Danko]

Danko stop assuming/theory crafting and get to coil turn 4 & 5. Those other ways you're talking about to replenish mp isn't nearly enough. Even a dragoon with an improved invigorate that rotates the cooldown properly runs out of TP. kthxbye

It is you that needs to stop assuming. ITT BC 1-4 is hard stuff! T1-4 is on faceroll status atm. Anyone that says you NEED a BRD to complete them is just talking out of their ass, regurgitating something that their friend's, friend's FC member said is the ONLY way to win.

The only turn even remotely relevant to this conversation is T5, and songs do add utility. I go BRD. I use them. But there's a huge difference between saying "songs have utility in this fight", vs "it is impossible to complete T5 without them." The first is true. The second is not.

If "those other ways to replenish mp isn't nearly enough" (lol), one ballad isn't saving you in the long run. But it's not just about the mages using MP restore items and abilities. Are your Tanks/DPS using high end HP restore items to take some of the pressure off? Are your DPS sheathing their weapons between every possible phase to restore tp faster? Is everyone using optimal HQ food? There are all kinds of ways to cut corners and increase efficiency.

There are FC's now that put two separate groups through t1-4 and then t5 inside of 2 hours total. Especially after this nerf of T5 and full i90s start tweaking the established strategies...it's only going to get easier.

If you are stacking BRDs and failing dps checks to have multiple songs...that could be your problem. Switching out to higher DPS (or not having your BRDs sing as much) might help you.

[Danko]

I would also like to reiterate that Yoshi P said zero things about BRD support being too strong, BRD silence being too strong, or even BRD DPS being too strong.

He said BRDs ability to ignore fight mechanics while maintaining their DPS ceiling on fights like Titan was just a little bit (and he made emphasis on just a little bit) too strong relative to melee DPS. The solution to which, imo, is not to nerf BRDs but to make QoL changes that make it easier for melee to DPS while dealing with fight mechanics.

Either way, I do not anticipate a DPS ceiling nerf for BRD. It would be foolish for them to do that.

BRD's DPS and utility are in a good place, balance wise. Not too weak, not too strong. BRDs add utility but are also perfectly replaceable. Songs add utility but cost DPS + MP, only last for a short duration, and are not overly powerful. BRD can be a competent DPS but falls behind other DPS of a similar skill and gear level, especially when singing or focusing on blunt arrow rotations.

There is a disparity that deserves a look during fights with unforgiving mechanics (although I disagree that a BRD nerf is the answer), but none of this stuff we've been debating lately is even related to that.

[Lecreuset]

No we're not stacking bards, and those MP restore items that give decent amounts have 5min cooldowns.
Sheathing weapons doesn't make you regen faster. It's being out of combat that does, pass me some of that shii you smoking brah.

Finish that Titan first, then show us a run t1-t5 without a bard. Mmkay, pumpkin?

[Danko]

Finish that Titan first, then show us a run t1-t5 without a bard. Mmkay, pumpkin?

lol. 10/10. Would lol again.

[Lex_Luger]

lol. 10/10. Would lol again.

So would I. You have your achievements hidden. Have you even cleared titan? If you have, awesome, if you haven't, you don't belong in this thread.

[GYX]

So would I. You have your achievements hidden. Have you even cleared titan? If you have, awesome, if you haven't, you don't belong in this thread.

Even if he was a lvl 1, what he is saying is the truth, if you fail to recognize it then its you who does not belong in the discussion. I can tell you for experience, BRD songs were only needed in my group until everyone had the strat down and gear to complete the fights, now is a joke. I don't even have to play a song until T5, and there is no way I could out DPS a MNK single target or a BLM or SMN in aoe fights, period. I can tell you BRDs are there because of the silence, but is nothing a couple of good PLDs can't manage just as efficiently.

The BRD's nerf cry comes from people who haven't even stepped in coil, (their dmg is op while lvling I admit that much) because if you have, you would know BRD's are not even half as good as people lead you to believe.

[Sefrah]

I for one welcome Bards being brought inline with everyone else, and breaking the 4 bard coil blocs. With the Warrior change, we might see something other than 2Pal/4Bard/Whm+Sch Coil Groups. Maybe this will also encourage bards to use their ballads. SERIOUSLY did you know until I read this thread I did not know bards had a song that restored TP, and I've been in coil to Turn 4 with a group that ran with 3 bards? And that group later replaced me with a 4th bard when I couldn't make their raid times due to work.

[Bardo]

I for one welcome Bards being brought inline with everyone else, and breaking the 4 bard coil blocs. With the Warrior change, we might see something other than 2Pal/4Bard/Whm+Sch Coil Groups. Maybe this will also encourage bards to use their ballads. SERIOUSLY did you know until I read this thread I did not know bards had a song that restored TP, and I've been in coil to Turn 4 with a group that ran with 3 bards? And that group later replaced me with a 4th bard when I couldn't make their raid times due to work.

You realize that a 2Pal/4Bard/Whm+Sch group would have exactly 0 DD limit breaks and would have precisely 0 chance of clearing Turn4, correct?

[Pellegri]

You realize that a 2Pal/4Bard/Whm+Sch group would have exactly 0 DD limit breaks and would have precisely 0 chance of clearing Turn4, correct?

Don't know if I'd go that far depending on gear, lb only trivializes a small bit of it depending on what you use it on. Gear is what made the encounter easy in the first place and with enough of it nothing would matter, even hitting the enrage for any meaningful amount of time. Now turn 5 I'll give you as you need a lb to progress to a certain point and you won't get that with bards, that is also saying 2-4 bards could kill conflags fast enough depending on how rng is for who gets put in.

[RunsWscissors]

I welcome Bards being brought inline with everyone else,. . Maybe this will also encourage bards to use their ballads. SERIOUSLY did you know until I read this thread I did not know bards had a song that restored TP, And that group later replaced me with a 4th bard when I couldn't make their raid times due to SUCKING.

of course ur up for bard nerfs U DONT PLAY ONE.. so funny that 1 of ur 2 sad little posts were about being glad a class is getting nerfed. sorry DRG sucks ass but don't blame it on bards. so what bards can move and dps.. other dps classes don't have to worry about running songs (3sec cast where u must stand still, 20% dmg nerf) silencing, maximizing DPS all while still doin the mechanics that is pretty much all u have to do. our dmg is below other dps classes so stop crying and just play the game ffs. it's all fun and games till ur class gets nerfed too.. blame brds coz ur bad and got replaced.. ur post just reeks of retard.. GOOD DAY