Tank mentality.

[Rogziel]

I probably fall into that cynical group a lot of the time. It frustrates me when I give simple to follow directions to a group and they don't get followed. I'm not asking for rocket science. I am asking you to follow a kill order, stay in a certain position, or do a certain thing for a reason. That reason is to save the group effort, time and repair bills in some way. This doesn't mean I am not open to other ways of doing things but before running off and doing it with out explaining take a second and let me know so i know what to be ready for.

Last thought. I think sometimes we come off more bossy than we mean to be because we are trying to be concise in the messages we type and that can be taken the wrong way.

[Sephirah]

If the WHM is having threat issues on Titan its likely the fault of the tank. A: Under geared and incapable of required threat gen. B: A baddie tank who regardless of gear probably won't succeed.

So wrong....

[Hocchi]

I get the opposite, always the dps or the healer that's being rude. Dps runs ahead and aggros, it's the tanks fault for obviously not being fast enough to pick up their impatience, etc; etc.
I'm pretty calm and patient, and will try to pick up mistakes either I, or someone in the group makes, but will just drop out at the first sign of douchyness, saves a ton of time and frustration of dealing with those kinds of people.

[Zoomie]

So wrong....

You've made an excellent point. I can really appreciate a well thought out and clearly explained perspective when I see one.

As someone who has tanked Titan a number of times there is no reason whatsoever a tank should lose aggro. There are zero instances in which you cannot attack Titan and there are also zero instances in which a healer has time to land huge heals without you having the opportunity to either see them coming or to react to the incoming threat.

If your response has anything to do with huge Medica II spamming at the start of the fight (the ONLY time a tank shouldn't have a huge threat lead)... either the dps is terrible and needs the healing they shouldn't need or the healer is massively over healing. In both cases said parties probably shouldn't even be there.

[Viridiana]

If your response has anything to do with huge Medica II spamming at the start of the fight (the ONLY time a tank shouldn't have a huge threat lead)... either the dps is terrible and needs the healing they shouldn't need or the healer is massively over healing. In both cases said parties probably shouldn't even be there.

Because the DPS can totally avoid Tumult. . .

Don't get me wrong, there's still a good chance that the healer is overhealing; but you can't call that the tank's fault, which is what you originally did.

[Zoomie]

Because the DPS can totally avoid Tumult. . .

Don't get me wrong, there's still a good chance that the healer is overhealing; but you can't call that the tank's fault, which is what you originally did.

The level of healing required during Titan is completely predicable assuming dps isn't eating avoidable aoe. My point was that the only time the healer should be anywhere near the tanks threat is at the start of the fight. Like within the first 5-10 seconds. At this point tumult hits 3 times which hardly requires a WHM to start spamming Medica II. Medica II spam being the ONLY way a healer should be able to pull off a competent tank.

[Zoomie]

Allow me to clarify my original statement. I said that if a WHM is having threat issues on Titan then it is likely the fault of the tank. I've seen tanks spam shield lob as their threat rotation and pop ALL their defensing CD's on the engage. Pardon me if my cynicism is directed at tanks primarily.

All of this aside if we're operating on the assumption that the healer is massively overhealing there isn't much point to discussing this at all. The post that I was originally responding to mentioned that a WHM, despite using their threat dump, was still having threat issues on Titan. Given that the WHM is intelligent enough to use their threat dump my next culprate would be the tank failing to do his/her job which, lets face it, is often the case. Assuming that the healer was using massive overheals, the ONLY way to pull off a tank, renders this entire discussion pointless.

Next we can talk about how the BLM pulls with flare and wonder why they has threat issues too.

[Tanaya]

The post that I was originally responding to mentioned that a WHM, despite using their threat dump, was still having threat issues on Titan.

You're assuming they were using Shroud of Saints.

Btw, I was the tank, and I had full DL, Garuda's Gaze, and an optimal rotation, as well as spreading my cooldowns.

Tanking Titan is pants on heads easy, but you're really underestimating just how easy it is for a WHM to overheal in this fight without multiple uses of Shroud of Saints.

[Sephirah]

You're assuming they were using Shroud of Saints.

Btw, I was the tank, and I had full DL, Garuda's Gaze, and an optimal rotation, as well as spreading my cooldowns.

Tanking Titan is pants on heads easy, but you're really underestimating just how easy it is for a WHM to overheal in this fight without multiple uses of Shroud of Saints.

This.

I too was tanking Titan, and I agree it is not hard for us to hold hate the entire fight, but if the rest of the raid is taking damage, the healer is going to need to use Shroud or they will pull aggro.

[Masenken]

I believe your attitude plays a large party in the group mentality... can't say I'm a saint but I try but to do anything ad nauseam for the simple fact that this is a perpetual game and I have no need to hurry on anything.

As I get approach end game I've yet to meet these so called d-bags. I'm sure they're around, but I've never met them... I met a terrible healer once but that was about it.

I like to tell jokes while I'm tanking anyway. I play to have fun, and I personally feel it's good to keep humor in all situations so people can just enjoy themselves instead of getting fixated on stats and having the best gear. when it's time to fight a boss, yeah i'm serious, but I'll still throw rallying words to keep people engaged.

I'd rather learn, become fully confident in the content and teach others, than put on my princess tiara and engage in pointless drama.