Gladiator tanking in dungeons losing enmity

[NoRyoKu]

Hello all

I have a gladiator lvl 26 and just started tanking in dungeons. Yesterday I was with a lancer, conjurer and an archer. I kept losing enmity every time we encountered enemy. But I was using Savage Blade and Flash, Shield lob to gain enmity on distant target and provoke to gain instant aggro. I think I was doing fine but I was not able to maintain enmity on all 2-3 enemis (enemy pack).

So my question are :
1 - I know that archer gain enmity very fast and must learn to hold fire some time but does the conjurer gain enmity just by healing.

2 - I noticed that even if i marked the enemy 1-2-3, sometimes the other in my party did not focus fire and gained enmity on target that i wasn't attacking. So If someone in my party targets other enemy, am i right to say that if the other players don't follow the order that the tank sets, it is really difficult even with flash to maintain enmity??

3 - Am I right to say that if I start attacking a pack of enemy, I gain automaticly all agro from the pack. If the others in the party attack the same enemy as I am, i will maintain indefinitly aggro and the other enemies?

Hope this was clear

Thx for your answer!

[saber_alter]

*looks at gear* looks like your up to date on everything but accessories...

1- 1 point of damage is equivalent to 1 point of enmity, 1 point of healing is equivalent to half a point of enmity. so yes, cnj gets hate by healing

2- at the beginning of each dungeon for now on say this: "you pull it, you tank it." then proceed through the dungeon. if they don't listen, they get their face mauled by a mob. flash shouldn't be solely relied on for hate building. seeing how your level 26, your "rage of halone" combo should be your primary hate builder. (fast blade, then savage blade, then rage of halone)

3- NO. you gain 1 enmity for running into a mob group. you gain 250 from a single flash. you need to micromanage all of the mobs if you want to keep hate on any of them. if your dps is coordinating with you, the healer also generates hate from healing (its distributed throughout all of the mobs.)

[Comis]

I'd suggest only marking a kill target (I use "x"). My experience is that DPS go full retard if you have a numbered kill order marked. If you open with flash, and your dps are attacking the kill target, you should be able to hold aggro just fine.

[Lord_Zlatan]

ideal situation:

Mark your target

Fight or flight ----> Shield lob that target.

Flash twice

Fast Blade---> Savage Blade -->Rage of Halone

Flash

Repeat.

Also, in groups of mobs you can do the same thing but "cycle" the Rage of Halone combo (do NOT do this if players are sleeping other targets).

Start out by lobbing, then flashing.

Fast blade on target one, savage blade on target 2, rage of halone on any other target. Flash again, then focus on one mob

[NoRyoKu]

Alright, very nice insight!

So, what do you suggest I open with

Lob -> Flash -> micro manage the fight as it goes?

[saber_alter]

basically, using fight or flight at the start helps as well.

[NoRyoKu]

basically, using fight or flight at the start helps as well.

You start with that skill because you can do more damage hence more enmity for the first 30 sec of the fight?

[Lord_Zlatan]

You start with that skill because you can do more damage hence more enmity for the first 30 sec of the fight?

Yes. it won't be up all the time mind you, but it certainly helps.

Also, as you progress, use flash more. I usually start with one per mob. It basically insures they stick to you. Toss a riot blade in there every so often if you want to top off MP.

shield lob is definitely the way to start. If people are not following the kill order, flash, and cycle the rage of halone combo through all mobs and u should still be able to hold hate.

[saber_alter]

You start with that skill because you can do more damage hence more enmity for the first 30 sec of the fight?

coming back.

yes. i have it macroed in with my fast blade skill. the initial damage boost helps a lot with big pulls.

on the topic of provoke:

if your going to provoke, it should and must always be followed up with a shield lob or a comboed rage of halone. that includes if it is used as a longer range pull skill.

..and multi target tanking:
It, once again, depends on who is in your party. the higher the average Ilvl of your dps' weapons: the more micro-managing, the more attention required, the more flash that is used.

[glen7187]

To help you out, I'll give you my scenario whenever I run dungeons as my PLD.

I mark all the mobs using the numbers. I usually don't mark the last mob cause its obviously going to be last since the others are numbered.

I target the mob with 1 marked, I use Shield Lob (or sometimes Fight or Flight and then Shield Lob).

I let the mobs gather around me, then I Flash about 2-3 times. I try to stand in such a way that all the mobs are facing away from the party and they are all directly in front of me (so that I can block all of their attacks)

I then do Rage of Halone Combo on mob marked 1. Then I Flash again. I usually do Rage of Halone combo then Flash and repeat that.

If none of the mobs are getting cc'd by a blm or whm (they aren't being Slept) then I like to do Fast Blade - Savage Blade on my main target, then switch target to another and finish with Rage of Halone on that mob, then switch back to the main target. I do this because when you use Rage of Halone in the combo, it gives you a big boost when it hits in enmity, so to try to keep the enmity on my main target, but add a big chunk to the other enemies so the healer doesn't take aggro, I'll finish the Rage of Halone combo on the other mobs.

In my experiences, I have groups where the dps will do things such as run ahead of me and aggro mobs, or kill things out of order.

- When they kill things out of order, if I can hold the hate on all the mobs, then I don't complain about it. If I can't handle the hate then I will first ask them to please follow the order. If they don't listen, I'll ask once again. After that, I let the mobs kill them.

- The same for dps that run ahead and pull mobs. I'll ask them to please let me lead and pull. I'll ask twice if necessary. After that, if they pull, I don't even engage in the fight until the dps dies or the party wipes. Sorry if that seems a bit harsh...

Hope that helps you. I didn't really say anything about other skills that you can weave in there since you're level 26 but you'll learn your own style as you progress.