Why You Shouldn't Use Fracture

[SofiyaGlaston]

First to address the BB>BB>SE combo.
In order to maintain the buffs from the SE combo at 100% uptime, you'd actually have to do BB>SE>BB>SE (As Storm's Eye only has a 15 second time, with GCD being ~2.5 seconds). But moving on.

Factoring in Maim and SE buffs (discluding Berserk because its buff contributes to a portion of damage equations) Each set has potencies/gcd as followed:

Fracture: 134/240** (total 374/gcd)

BB combo 277.2/gcd

HS 198
SS 264
BB 369.6

SE combo 268.4/gcd

HS 198
Mm 250.8
SE 356.4

Using just the basic Potency per GCD and not worrying about TP usage (as unless the fight is incredibly long, there's not much to worry about) Fracture is a large amount of damage and should be used regularly..
Basically: BB>SE>Fr>BB>SE>BB>SE>Fr

**Fracture's dot does not gain benefit from the SE buff as it is not considered "Slashing"

[Maelwys]

First to address the BB>BB>SE combo.
In order to maintain the buffs from the SE combo at 100% uptime, you'd actually have to do BB>SE>BB>SE (As Storm's Eye only has a 15 second time, with GCD being ~2.5 seconds). But moving on.

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Using just the basic Potency per GCD and not worrying about TP usage (as unless the fight is incredibly long, there's not much to worry about) Fracture is a large amount of damage and should be used regularly..
Basically: BB>SE>Fr>BB>SE>BB>SE>Fr

**Fracture's dot does not gain benefit from the SE buff as it is not considered "Slashing"

Yes. I applied the SE buff to everything except for the SE combo (the SE buff fades as you start up that third combo) and Maim to everything (because it would have 1 GCD crossover).

The explicit rotation that I used was BB>BB>SE>Frac>BB>BB>SE>BB>Frac>BB>SE>BB>BB>Frac>SE. It maintains the highest uptime on Fracture without breaking combos. It also maintains the buffs/debuffs as previously mentioned.

Not sure why you would give such advice. If you want to maximise your potential you should be maintaining Fracture in all single target encounters that you don't hit 0 TP in.

Basically, Fracture provides a marginal improvement *at best* while causing a noticeable increased drain to your resource pool. Using Fracture is, for all intents and purposes, electing to *not* use another of your attacks later on down the line and replace it with an empty GCD.

(In before the obligatory "LERN2MATH!" response...)

[SofiyaGlaston]

(In before the obligatory "LERN2MATH!" response...)

Not sure what you're implying.. But either way. Each of retorts to the OP have legitimate means. Fracture is higher damage and should be maintained.

@The OP's rotation. It isn't efficient to lose the SE combo's buffs reapplying it (you wont have maim or SE actually active during any of the 3 attacks) as BB's buffed potency/gcd is not 32%(total increased damage given by the buffs) higher than SE's unbuffed. thus you are losing out on yet more damage. The only thing in the BB>SE>BB>SE set that does not have a buff (and mind you its only 1 of the 2 missing) is the final SE during the first SE combo after a fracture. This minor loss is easily overlooked for the addition of Fracture into the rotation. If the combo is dropped, just pick it up from an SE combo and place the fracture as needed (Don't clip it. If it wont be on the target for a few seconds its fine.)

[Maelwys]

Not sure what you're implying..

Just an observed trend in responses to anyone questioning Kitru's numbers/methodology.

Nothing to worry about, honest.

[*Munches Popcorn*]

[Kitru]

Each of retorts to the OP have legitimate means.

Not really.

Fracture is higher damage and should be maintained.

Except that if you actually look at the damage that using Fracture actually increases your real DPS by, it's less than half of a percent. It's higher damage, but it's higher damage in a purely semantic context that's really so little that you can ignore it.

It isn't efficient to lose the SE combo's buffs reapplying it (you wont have maim or SE actually active during any of the 3 attacks) as BB's buffed potency/gcd is not 32%(total increased damage given by the buffs) higher than SE's unbuffed.

Maim lasts 30 seconds and SE lasts 15 seconds. BB>BB>SE maintains Maim at all times (and even has a 1-2 GCD overlap in case you want to use Inner Beast in there) while keeping SE for both of the BB combos. I never said that it was the damage maximized (i.e. off tank) combo. BB>BB>SE is the enmity maxed (i.e maim tank) combo. Where enmity is concerned, which is what is being maximized with this given combo, BB provides 250% more enmity than SE does. As such, when you're maximizing enmity, you have a damned good reason to maintain Maim (because Maim lasts longer and provides more) while only refreshing the SE debuff when the opportunity cost is low (i.e. immediately after refreshing Maim). On top of that, the actual DPS advantages of BB>SE over BB>BB>SE are tiny: SE>BB>Frac>SE>BB (the combo you're referring to which is the default combo for WAR I used in the comparison in my sig) manages 342.45 potency per GCD and BB>BB>SE manages 325.3, which is a whopping 5.3% improvement in total damage, which gets diluted down to a 1% advantage when you add in 2 DPS that double the tank's contribution.

Also Maim + SE provide a 33.33% increase to total damage (1.2 / .9), not 32%.

[Jahaudant]

Fracture isn't worth it if you plan on fighting for longer than 2-3 minutes or less than 45-50 seconds

So pretty much every single target encounter currently in the game except Titan?

It's higher damage, but it's higher damage in a purely semantic context that's really so little that you can ignore it.

As long as everyone understands that your argument against Fracture is effectively just laziness.

[Kitru]

So pretty much every single target encounter currently in the game except Titan?

Actually, you still wouldn't want to do it on Titan because his transfer phases aren't long enough to reset your TP back to full from where they were burned. Fracture on him is still an explicit DPS loss. The only fight that I know of that actually fulfills the "it's fine to use Fracture" conditions is Ifrit, because his charges are common enough and long enough to reset TP back to full every time.

As long as everyone understands that your argument against Fracture is effectively just laziness.

How hard is it to understand "less than half of a percent"? It's not a question of laziness but whether there's even a point to using it. From a mathematical standpoint, there isn't because the difference in performance is so small. It's the value that gets cut off when you measure with significant figures. The value that Fracture adds is less than that. It gets eaten by the math so that there's no difference.

The argument against Fracture is cost:benefit. The benefit is effectively 0. The cost is a nearly 10% increase in TP consumption over time. It's not laziness to say that you should stop using the ability that gives you no real benefit while costing you more.

[Jahaudant]

Stuff

Apologies, it seems I was unclear. I was saying that you can effectively use Fracture in pretty much every ST encounter currently in the game except for Titan. It's hardly as situational you make it out to be.

Also, I don't really see anyone seriously questioning your math but better is better is better my friend there's no two ways about it. If you are in a fight where you won't bottom out TP then there's no reason not to use Fracture... at all. Period. Any other argument to the contrary is born out of laziness.

Lastly, you should probably correct the blanket statement in OP that no class should use Fracture since it's unequivocally false.

[Maelwys]

(In before the obligatory "LERN2MATH!" response...)

Not sure what you're implying..

Nothing to worry about, honest.

[*Munches Popcorn*]

There is no need to get hostile with people debating as it brings a greater knowledge to all and informs those who are too shy to ask these question.

The only people I'm getting hostile with are the ones that have no idea what they're talking about and are trying to claim that my math is wrong

"Dammit, out already??"

[*Opens Second Bag*]
[*MunchMunch*]

[Wyndam]

"Dammit, out already??"

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I've got some cookies, wanna try some?