8 mans pointless now

[Eliseus]

Actually, 1 tank 1 healer 6 dps has become the norm on Ultros for farming Garuda, so huh... maybe not on Hyperion? But on Ultros that's how it goes. Ditto for Praetorium.

You aren't getting it.

[BlossomRose]

You aren't getting it.

No, it's you who isn't getting it. The times I posted are average for a RANDOM PUG GROUP YOU CAN FIND IN REVENANT'S TOLL. All of the times I posted. All of them. They are all average for what you'll get out of a speed run group. ALL. OF. THE. TIMES. Are THE AVERAGE. For people on Ultros. Maybe your server is slower, maybe it's faster, I don't care.

Point being, those are the times ON ULTROS. They are AVERAGES of what the COMMON PUG can expect.

Dedicated, organized groups are even faster. That's fine. I don't care. I'm talking for the average people here.

[Eliseus]

No, it's you who isn't getting it. The times I posted are average for a RANDOM PUG GROUP YOU CAN FIND IN REVENANT'S TOLL. All of the times I posted. All of them. They are all average for what you'll get out of a speed run group. ALL. OF. THE. TIMES. Are THE AVERAGE. For people on Ultros. Maybe your server is slower, maybe it's faster, I don't care.

Point being, those are the times ON ULTROS. They are AVERAGES of what the COMMON PUG can expect.

Dedicated, organized groups are even faster. That's fine. I don't care. I'm talking for the average people here.

You're right, average groups are able to speed run everything but AK apparently.

[BlossomRose]

You're right, average groups are able to speed run everything but AK apparently.

On Ultros that's... basically how it is, yeah.

I don't know why it's that way but the average AK group on Ultros is minimum 30 minutes and goes as far as 40 minutes depending, because the server doesn't do the whole "run to boss/die" thing. And honestly, I don't care. AK is bland and boring, and you're better off just doing Garuda for a change of pace.

[Crescent_Dusk]

On Ultros that's... basically how it is, yeah.

I don't know why it's that way but the average AK group on Ultros is minimum 30 minutes and goes as far as 40 minutes depending, because the server doesn't do the whole "run to boss/die" thing. And honestly, I don't care. AK is bland and boring, and you're better off just doing Garuda for a change of pace.

Ultros is not the average. Not everyone is on Ultros.

Either wayr point about optimal tome farm was correct.

Spamming Praetorium is the BEST source for tome farming. AK and Wanderer's offer like 3-4k gil per run though, on top of gear for seals and maybe even gearing up your alts if you dont have all AK pieces yet for every class.


People are deluding themselves, though. The grind is the same. It was 100 tomes pre-hotfix, and it is 100 tomes post-hotfix.

It still takes 72 runs of whichever of these boring, easymode dungeons for a full DL+relic set.

[Kalandros]

Spamming Praetorium is the BEST source for tome farming. AK and Wanderer's offer like 3-4k gil per run though, on top of gear for seals and maybe even gearing up your alts if you dont have all AK pieces yet for every class.

Praetorium?
Wanderer's Palace. 2 pulls -> 1st boss, 2 pulls -> 2nd boss, 2 pulls -> 3rd boss, rinse, repeat.